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I Am Tired of Bogus Measurements

My expensive shoes have measurements but it doesn’t matter, all I want to know is will they fit. My expensive new suit has measurements but it doesn’t matter, all I want to know is will my expensive new shoes match.

The people being misled by measruements aren’t being led my manufacturers, they are being misled by reviewers. Idiotic rankings of digital gear based on measurements outside the range of human hearing. Cancelling entire brands who put out features customers actually want as they sell to humans, not bats. The worst of these websites will rant about their own superior $$$ equipment but mot even one person will ever use speakers in a klippel matchine, they actually put them in a room! The horror. The cancelling of brands, the talking down to the customers, is bogus.

You need to measure what matters! Are the customers actually happy? Is the warranty honored? Most importantly is their an in home audition period?
I don’t need someone to tell me if I could or should like a product. My room is not a test bench, or a klippel machine. Who cares what the component measures by itself because unless its a clock radio I’ll never use it by itself, I have to interconnect it in a "system" with "high quality" cables, (as in all cables are not the same).

If you want to measure something measure how your personal system of curated components interact with your room. That’s it. The rest of the stuff you could forget because these days if a brand overpromises and under delivers they will be following a formula for losing money, an no company likes that.

kota1
kota1 OP
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@yoyoyaya

None of the above.

Some people accurately measure things that are not relevant in the context of the sound quality of a product and has 0 predictive (or bogus) value to a consumer. Then they try and misconstrue the result as being predictive. Ranking products based on SNR that is beyond human hearing is an example of this That is bogus.

Some people will cherry pick measurements to come to a conclusion that was predetermined. Certain websites promote themselves as being the arbiter of what is and what is not snake oil. If a product they deemed useless measures exemplary they will either bury the results or slam the lab that did the testing. Bogus. All of the videos I posted of reviewers being called out by other reviewers or the companies they tried to cancel are examples of this. Measurements that don’t align with the outcome they want are demonized or ignored. They are being bogus with no regard except one, drive traffic to their website.

 

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clearthinker
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@OP

Sorry I'm not sure what 'cancelling' of brands is.  Is it a Generation Z term for disagreeing or ignoring?

Talking down to customers is not bogus, i.e. false.  It is just rude and rather negative for sales penetration.

I agree measurements are not predictive of sound QUALITY overall.  But they can often be accurate predictors of aspects of sound CHARACTER, eg a substantial suck-out or a kink in the frequency trace of a speaker.

It is very rare that snake oil type products display any measurement changes in use.  If they did, their proponents would not have to say the difference needs to be heard in terrms of sound quality (a generalised non-scientific term even though it needs to be apprehended).

texbychoice
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Dr. Floyd Toole stated "Two ears and a brain respond very differently to a complex sound field — and are much more analytical — than an omni-directional mic and analyzer."  A very significant point from a man that should know.

I spent many years chasing the best measuring audio products within my budget. Some eliminated via in store audition, some traded after at home performance fell short.  Listening always the final arbiter. 

Many years spent designing and testing complex electronic systems.  Measuring and testing was excruciatingly long and detailed process.  The last hurdle was performance in the intended environment.  Measurements provided a reasonable predictor of performance, but never 100%.  

thespeakerdude
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@kota1

All of the videos I posted of reviewers being called out by other reviewers or the companies they tried to cancel are examples of this.

 

You batted 0 out of 5 on the videos you posted that I looked at. All were very flawed if not outright wrong. The videos you posted really highlight the need for competent technical sites to do the work they do as there are far too many people and companies publishing information that is misleading if not outright wrong.

kota1 OP
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@clearthinker 

Sorry I'm not sure what 'cancelling' of brands is.  Is it a Generation Z term for disagreeing or ignoring?

"Cancel culture is the act of canceling a brand, public figure, or company that you disagree with.  When a brand is canceled, support is withdrawn and consumers spend their money with competitors if the brand or company has said something offensive. The brand is canceled through online shaming on social media platforms"

It is very rare that snake oil type products display any measurement changes in use.

I don't see measurements for that many products except MPG for new cars. Generally specs are provided instead.

 

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