Which ARC ref linestage to try: Ref3, Ref5, Ref5SE? HATE forward sounding systems

I want to thank everyone. This was a very productive thread for me (and others, I hope) even though…

…since I have so much PS Audio Equipment, It probably makes sense that I should try the PSA BHK before I go down the ARC road. However, with this crazy hobby I’m sure I will still go down the ARC road. There’s something about their (average) house sound that I really like. Maybe by then the 5SE or the Ref 6s will be a real bargain used.

I read and looked into ALL suggestions, learned a ton, and met some new friends here. Hopefully, this thread will be useful to others in the future too.

Thank You!

P.S. Of Course, by all means feel free to continue posts if productive to someone.

I had the LS-27, loved it. But as I upgraded other components, I noticed that the soundstage did not have the depth. I upgraded to the REF 6 which produced the results I wanted. I am running Wilson MAXX speakers and Rowland SS amps. I just replaced all my tubes in the REF 6, it was a little over 4000 hours. The power tube they recommend replacing every 2000 hours. I did try the BHK amp, but it did not have the ability to push the Wilson Sasha’s that I had at the time - I lost A LOT of punch - that is when I found the Rowlands. I did compare the LS-27 to the Rogue RP-5 before I purchased it, I thought the ARC was SLIGHTLY better (I purchased the LS-27 used). I have really liked dealing with ARC - they answer the phone and help with your questions (as does PS Audio and Rowland).

One drawback to my system is that poorly recorded music is going to sound poorly recorded, that was not as much of a factor when I had the LS-27.  Some of the newer music is really compressed, that is not very nice to listen to (Pink's album before the latest one was unlistenable).  But Dylan's latest bootleg series from Time Out of Mind is simply spectacular.   

The ARC line stages have fewer tubes, so re-tubing will be a lot less expensive.  (It cost about $600 for me to re-tube my REF 6).

I have to believe that you will be happy with any of the ARC Preamps.

The Ref 3 seems to fit your preferences better than the later ones.  As you mentioned, the "supertube" models are more neutral and less euphonic than the earlier ones, so you might even look at a Ref 2 MkI.

I would not describe any of the Ref preamps as forward, but they do get more neutral as you get into the newer models.

I'm currently running the 6SE and it is the best line stage I have heard, and very neutral with just a touch of warmth.  It (and the earlier models) is very dimensional.

Some people do not read carefully.

I stated that my Ref 5SE is more forward than my Ref 2 mk II.  That does not mean that it is forward overall, just that it is more neutral than the older unit - which, by comparison, is less neutral by being a touch warmer and more recessed..

The original poster specifically stated he was looking for a warmer, possibly more recessed version of the ARC Reference "house" sound, which includes excellent dimensionality, realistic timbre and explosive dynamics (all of them).

Hope that clears up my original comments.

@bobbydd FWIW I knew exactly what you meant.  Definitely appreciate your thoughts.