Why HiFi Gear Measurements Are Misleading (yes ASR talking to you…)


About 25 years ago I was inside a large room with an A-frame ceiling and large skylights, during the Perseid Meteor Shower that happens every August. This one time was like no other, for two reasons: 1) There were large, red, fragmenting streaks multiple times a minute with illuminated smoke trails, and 2) I could hear them.

Yes, each meteor produced a sizzling sound, like the sound of a frying pan.

Amazed, I Googled this phenomena and found that many people reported hearing this same sizzling sound associated with meteors streaking across the sky. In response, scientists and astrophysicists said it was all in our heads. That, it was totally impossible. Why? Because of the distance between the meteor and the observer. Physics does not allow sound to travel fast enough to hear the sound at the same time that the meteor streaks across the sky. Case closed.

ASR would have agreed with this sound reasoning based in elementary science.

Fast forward a few decades. The scientists were wrong. Turns out, the sound was caused by radiation emitted by the meteors, traveling at the speed of light, and interacting with metallic objects near the observer, even if the observer is indoors. Producing a sizzling sound. This was actually recorded audibly by researchers along with the recording of the radiation. You can look this up easily and listen to the recordings.

Takeaway - trust your senses! Science doesn’t always measure the right things, in the right ways, to fully explain what we are sensing. Therefore your sensory input comes first. You can try to figure out the science later.

I’m not trying to start an argument or make people upset. Just sharing an experience that reinforces my personal way of thinking. Others of course are free to trust the science over their senses. I know this bothers some but I really couldn’t be bothered by that. The folks at ASR are smart people too.

nyev

@tsacremento 

  1. Will the difference between a 90 dB S/N component and a 120 dB S/N component be audible in a typical listening room with a 30 dB background noise level?

This is a misconception.  I actually published a paper on this a few years back based on peer review journal article and research at AES.  Our hearing sensitively is highly non-linear.  60 dB at 20 Hz will be silent to us where as -5 dBSPL is audible at 3 kHz!  So to know if room noise is an audible barrier, you have to perform a translation and then superposition it on top of our hearing sensitivity.  This work was done based on survey of listening rooms and here are the results as I post in my article:

As you see, room noise drops exponentially with increasing frequencies. This is because it is so much easier to block high frequency noise.  Low frequency noise on the other the hand, easily travels through walls and even concrete!  Your meter will be happy to pick up noise from freeway from miles away, yet your ear will not.

As you see in the above graph, we can build rooms that are completely silent even though they could have bass noise 30 dB.

Using this research, we see that if we want to have reference quality maximum loudness (measured at 120 or so dB in live unamplified concerts), we need about 20 bits of dynamic range or 120 dB.  Put inversely, ideally you want your system to have a noise floor of -120 dB.

Now if you are listening in a living room, then such constraints can be lowered fair bit.  But why?   You can buy a $100 DAC that performs this well, once again proving that achieving full transparency in electronics doesn't cost much money.  Just requires careful shopping and not following marketing statements of fidelity but reliable measurements.

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@thyname no there is no rule against coming back 16 times. 

 

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I would never believe anything from you sir nor any one else for that matter. 

I do not follow blindly like your cult at ASR. @amir_asr 

 I recently tested three JPS Labs cables.  I listened to all three and they sounded different from my generic cables.  Bad news for fans your camp is that the generic cables sounded better in all these tests.  Thousands of dollars in cabling beat by less than $50 in generic cables.  Are you going to believe this assessment?

... Somehow you are too good for it whereas the rest of the industry is not ... Instead of trying so hard to stay confused, why not pay attention ... If you can’t reliably tell the cables apart, then don’t come and ask others to chase ferries. If you can, then you would have done something really useful ...

More ad hominem, appeal to authority, and bandwagon fallacies  from a measurementalist. As for the "chasing ferries" remark - you’re getting more and more colorful. Perhaps science is not your calling.