Phono Stage upgrade to complement Dohmann Helix One Mk 2

@drbond, Are you dizzy yet? What you have here is a whole bunch of people making assumptions without a bit of first hand knowledge. The horse's mouth is right here. I have been using subwoofers with ESLs since 1979 and have been through every permutation you can imagine. I can promise you this, regardless of anything else you do you will never achieve state of the art performance out of your system without subwoofers. I can help you avoid all the mistakes I made over the years and get you set up. This is a thread about phono stages. If you want to talk about it message me. 

lewm : " I truly did wonder why you thought Raul’s quote was humorous. " . Easy, because he did not think in that way before. Seems to me that is his way of audio life kind of think because he posted twice something with no sense in reference to what I posted about sub’s, he said twice: " you was not the first person to said that " .

But where in hell posted I that " I was the first audiophile to said that " ?

You might be right… I agree that it seemed to you that it had no bearing on the topic,
Yet here we are talking about whether to use a capacitor and then how to hook the sub up, and it is a week later and you still claim that that post is not addressing some of the OP’s question on subs.

You choose to put in a capacitor, and others insert that HPF that I linked to… and then they use a powered subwoofer that is designed as a system.

At some point it is going to click as to it being a system and why I posted it.

Similarly that REL kind of clicked with me as being a bit incomplete in that is it not using the HPF between the preamp and the amp(s)… and the sub has no way to account for a dependable slope or crossover knee… so it is either too much bass or need a lot of TLC to make it blend.

Are you addressing me?

Mijo, my journey to not using a subwoofer with my full range ESLs runs through years of experimenting with subwoofers to augment other ESLs, like KLH9s, Quads, and Martin Logan CLSs, all of which really do need woofer supplementation. I built my huge Transmission Line cabinets that now supplement the Beveridge speakers back in the 70s on my nights off call when I was an intern.I’m certainly not as good a cabinet maker as you, but i do have past experience with subwoofers. That’s how I developed my distaste for electronic crossovers. (I’m sure modern ones are better.)

Dear @mijostyn  :  "  never achieve state of the art performance out of your system without subwoofers..."

 I agree.

"     without a bit of first hand knowledge.... 

Disagree.  Some of us have that first hand experiences and in my case with different kind of main speakers including ESL and between the ESL Soundlab ones and all those experiences in different systems and always in different rooms.

The only coincidence between your room/system and the drbond one is the ESL system link. With all respect:  are you trying to say that you are the " God/Emperor " of sub/ESL?

drbond wants to " test " subs  and through that " tests " he will achieve the necessary firt hand experiences with to decides about.

With subs the integration to a room/system always is different in almost all, there are no rules and if you have proved and measured rules then this is a good time to share to the Agon community. Don't you think?

Subs integration is not like a change of amplifiers or phono stage or tonearm but something that each owner must have to live. Learning starts reading as he already is doing.

R.