Janszen za2.1 vs nola metro grand ref series2


I am contemplating a speaker purchase. I was going to look into either a used vandy 5a or eggleston andra ii. But, I think they would both be too big for my small 12x14 room. I am also married to my 50 w triode monoblocks and I fear they would not provide sufficient power for either choice.

This leads me to the less well known janszen and a pair of demo nola metros. I have always liked the enormous magnepan 3.7 soundstage. I however found them always lacking in image specificity. So as the advice comes, please keep in mind my soundstage reference and goal is along the lines of the big Maggie's. I have read that the raven tweeter and open baffle in the nola result in a giant presentation. I am not as sure about the janszens.

Has anyone heard both of the speakers I am considering? My desire is to improve upon the sound of the Gallo ref 3.5 that I currently have. I would like a larger, taller deeper soundstage with Improved pinpoint proved imaging.

I recognize this may be an odd request, but I am hoping for real world experience as I have no way to hear either prior to purchasing the speakers. The janszens have a trial period going in their favor.

Fwiw David janszen was a pleasure to talk with about his speakers. If congeniality were a sound quality i would tip my hat to janszen.

Regards,
Brad
2out2sea
Pryso, as a former Duntech Princess owner, how would you compare the size of the soundstage presentation of the Janszens vs. the Duntechs? That would give the OP an idea of that aspect of the speakers, as the Duntechs' soundstage, from my experience with them, easily compares with the Maggies.
Ordered a set from David today. I will certainly revisit this thread once I have a chance to listen. The waiting game now begins...
Brad - Like Pryso, I too own the Janszen's, though only for a month or so. I absolutely love these speakers even if I haven't got them dialed in yet (both room placement and tweeter controls are still being experimented with). Already they are better in my smallish mid-sized room then all other's - including Maggies and SF Cremona's - as I now have the organic full-bodied sound combined with stat-like detail that I've always wished for.

And yes, David is absolutely the best. I challenged him with a special finish request that was similar to some Wilson speakers I had seen, and he said he would see what he could do. Well, he actually ended up not being able to complete this in-house so he had an auto paint specialist do so, at no extra cost to me!! This on top of sending various grill cloth swatches and patiently listening to me go back and forth on a final decision.

Bottom line, the speakers are beautiful to both hear and see. And even as I'm powering them with a Rowland ss amp at the moment, I will also try a lower powered tube amp in the next few months.

Give them a shot, you really have nothing to lose.
Fair question Rcprince, so even though 2out2sea made his/her decision I'll try to answer for the general interest of other readers.

First off, I'll admit that soundstage is not my highest priority, that goes to tonality and a sense of involvement with the music. I attend a fair amount of live musical performances and I almost never hear the precise instrument placement as described by many magazine reviewers. That precision requires very close seating to the performers and I prefer to be back just a little to better take in the whole perspective.

Secondly, my room does not allow for optimum speaker placement since the right channel cannot be more than about 2 feet from the side wall. I've heard Duntech Princesses in four other rooms and all allowed better soundstaging than my set up did. Speaking with John Dunlavy confirmed that ideal placement provided at least 4-5 feet distance from sidewalls.

Now for those not familiar with the Princesses they are 6 feet tall with five drivers in a w/m/t/m/w array. So they do produce a very large soundstage, including width in a proper set up. The Janszens are a little more than half that size. In my room there is no appreciable difference in width of soundstage between the two models. And the height from the Janszens is greater that would be expected from their physical size. There has been a four year interval between owning these two speaker systems but from memory I don't feel there is much compromise in soundstage height.

One area where the Janszens excel, which as mentioned was not a priority for me, is image placement within the soundstage. With careful setup my system now presents more precision than any of the multiple other systems I've lived with through the years. I was not looking for this but it has been fun to experience.

Regarding Maggies, the most stupendous soundstage I've heard was recently from a friend's MG-20s. But to achieve that he places them almost half-way out into the room. Unless you close your eyes it can be something of a "2001" experience with those two large black obelisks there in front of you. Not many situations can allow for such placement and one of the benefits in the Janszen design is their performance when placed fairly close to the front wall (if fact they demand not to be pulled too far out for best bass extension). Any model Maggie, like all dipoles, will benefit from placement well out into the room. The hybrid Janszen does not radiate from the rear so does not have that need.

So I hope this longer reply helps 2out2sea with setup and offers a little more information for any others considering the Janszens.