Devore or Harbeths to replace my ESL63s?


I'm on the last stages of a speaker quest that has been quite difficult. For the last year I've had ESL 63s in a smallish room (14'8 x 11'10). I've got them to work extremely well for small scale ensembles, particularly jazz, and they also sound great with electronic music. But I can't give them enough space to image an orchestra, and they don't really rock (at least without Gradient sub-woofers, but that's another story...)

So after a long search, it's come down to either Harbeth or Devore for replacements. These have been my favourite contemporary speakers for years, so basically I've just spent a long time finding out what I already knew.

I previously owned Compact 7ES3 and enjoyed them, but found them unrefined in the soprano regio, and slightly muddy around the port output. The Monitor 30.1 is considerably smoother in the high frequencies and I find it a beautifully balanced speaker. It is the perfect size for my room, with one failing. It lacks the half octave of bass needed to give kick drums any force. I tried the new SHL5+ in my room but they are just too big for my room, sadly.

A friend of mine owns some Devore Nines. Very few people have Devores in the UK, but he has a fantastic system with VTL 2.5/150. It used to be that when I heard his system I would find the Compact 7s unlistenable for a couple of days. That changed with the ESL63s, but the Quads have an uneven combination of great strengths and severe limits in a small room.

So it's come down to either Harbeth M30.1, Devore Super 8, or Devore 88.

I have a second hand pair of the Super 8s at home at the moment. They are beautifully organic and draw you in to their world gradually. Other speakers I have at home have more immediate and crisp micro-detail (Harbeth P3ESR for example), but the Super 8s seem to put a root into the ground and claim the room as the proper place for their music making. Relax, they say, don't worry about the details, we will sort out your musical life.

I have only two reservations; first, they are quite lean in the mid-bass, especially in comparison to my friend's Nines, and this presents some limits with rock and electronic. Second, my system is optimised for Harbeths (and then for ESLs), and Devores would probably work better with lower powered, very refined valve amps. I don't get the same clarity that I get with Harbeths in my system.

I also have an option on some second hand 88s, but I have never heard them and I would have to buy blind. That is generally against my religion.

I guess the key question is; do I go with what I know (Monitor 30.1) or look to optimise my system gradually for the newcomers (Devore Super 8 or 88).

I'd be grateful for any thoughts from anyone who has compared the M30.1 with Devores in the same room, since that is what I can't do at the moment.

(My system details: the amps are Unison Research Unico Pre/DM. The sources are a Fletcher Omega Point 5/Audio Note Arm/Nagaoka MP500, Trichord Diablo/NCPSU). Audio Synthesis DAX Discrete with AS modded CD Transport.)
andreweast
Sounds like you have made the right choice. I have owned both the P3ESR and the Compact 7. In my room the P3's where so much better . The M30 should be outstanding.
The Harbeth 30.1 would be a great choice! While no one ever knows for sure whether a given speaker will work out as a long-term keeper, your experience with the other Harbeths is a pretty good indication that you will have the 30.1 for a long time.
I think the main factor that will decide if they are a long term keeper is whether I get the itch for more bass. I would be prepared to spend good money on a very good sub, but my jury is still out on the use of subs without an active crossover.

One other nagging thought about 30s is that they are ported. After a year with electrostats I've started to hear the mid-bass humps and bloated port output that you get with a lot of box speakers. The Compact 7s had this. Perhaps this is why Yogiboy found the P3s so much more satisfying? As the only non-ported Harbeth, they can seem a lot more agile in many rooms.

With the 7s I found their were certain ways of keeping the bass tight. When I was experimenting with Croft amps I found that the pre-amp was crucial. A regulated pre-amp was so much tighter.

With the 30s it will be more about sins of omission. However I spent a couple of evenings listening to them in a room of similar size to my own recently and I was just entranced. And the mid-bass was rich and fruity, even if the lower bass was missing.
Andreweast-Yes that is the reason why I did prefer the smaller P3's. I never liked any ported speaker compared to a sealed one. Hopefully the 30's will work out for you. BTW,I use all tube gear with the P3's and to me the combination can't be topped. No sub needed!
Fjn04-
Right now my system looks like this:
Mac Mini-Luxman DA-06-Shindo Masetto-Shindo Montrachet- O/96's