Who turns center off when listening to music


Regarding 3.1 systems. When listening to music; Who deactivates the center channel via the processor?

And with surround systems who goes back to 2.1 when listening to music.  Do any of the processors have presets you can you for this?

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@soix

I totally understand why they don’t use a center channel. I’ve been to audio shows and listened to plenty of high-end 2 channel systems. I know what they can do. A center channel used the way I use it does something they can’t do. It can prevent comb filtering from inter-aural crosstalk. The argument that it’s not necessary is well taken, as I know from experience that the sound can still be great despite the crosstalk. Nevertheless, I prefer to not hear that crosstalk. The only ways I’ve found that work for me to my satisfaction are to either use a divider wall between two speakers that comes all the way up to my face to keep the speakers from playing into the wrong ear, or use an array of 3 speakers that are fairly close together and employ channel summing in the center and differencing on the side speakers. There are other recursive schemes out there that also do a good job of reducing crosstalk but I feel they add issues of their own.

Crosstalk was never an intended feature. It’s a parasitic effect that comes along with only using 2 speakers. People found that they could live with it, and 2 speakers is the simplest way to get some kind of stereo effect, so it became the default standard, mostly out of practicality. Some people have adapted so much to it that they actually add crosstalk to their headphone setups to simulate speakers in a room! I definitely don’t like that with headphones, but to each their own. I do what sounds best to me. Crosstalk isn’t my favorite thing.

My setup still requires that I sit in the sweet spot for full stereo imaging. If I go out of the sweet spot the imaging collapses but centered vocals still stay in the center. More typical multi-channel systems are less sensitive to sweet spot position, but it’s still the best place to be.

Who the hell owns and listens to a high-end, 2-channel system and doesn’t sit in the sweet spot?

I think most everybody with a high end 2 speaker system has a chair in the sweet spot. Still, I work with a lot of people who appreciate their high end 2 channel systems when they’re listening from other positions in the room. I get to see a lot of people’s rooms and learn about how they use them. They’re not all 1 seat arrangements. A high end system can do a lot more than imaging, as you know, so there’s still a lot to appreciate over a lower capability system even when seated outside the sweet spot.

I totally understand why they don’t use a center channel. I’ve been to audio shows and listened to plenty of high-end 2 channel systems. I know what they can do. A center channel used the way I use it does something they can’t do.

@asctim Uh, so what you’re saying is these high-end speaker manufacturers spend a ton of $$$ to hump their gear to various audio shows and choose to set them up in a way that’s sub optimal? If they thought their very expensive speakers sounded better with a center speaker, along with the added prospect of being able to sell more of their center speakers, don’t you think they’d do so? Or are you just smarter and know more than they do about their own products?

The only ways I’ve found that work for me to my satisfaction are to either use a divider wall between two speakers that comes all the way up to my face to keep the speakers from playing into the wrong ear, or use an array of 3 speakers that are fairly close together and employ channel summing in the center and differencing on the side speakers.

I’ll just repeat, I can’t even.  Let me ask you this — when you’re at a live concert how do you prevent the strings on the left from bleeding over into the woodwinds on the right?  Do you bring your own personal divider with you to make it sound more “right” to you?  To each his own I guess.

 

@soix 

Let me ask you this — when you’re at a live concert how do you prevent the strings on the left from bleeding over into the woodwinds on the right?

That's the wrong question, the right question is how do you reproduce a live concert experience in your home. The studies have been done, the answer is clear, but it won't matter "to you". You already have the benefit of having two sound cannons pointed at (or toward) your head while it sits locked in a vice. Whatever turns your crank is fine by me.