@bdp24
Totally agree... also other mistakes... and when he makes it clear " Distilled Water ONLY. Do not use deionized" and "Check labeling to be certain that it is distilled and not deionized" but can’t/won’t explain why and says he doesn’t know what RO/DI water is... that’s a big hit in the credibility dept.
"That I for one am sticking with Neil Antin’s formula for ultrasonic cleaning: Tergitol 15-S-9 surfactant (and in some cases Alconox Liquinox detergent) added to plain ol’ distilled water. For used LP’s I do a pre-cleaning in the kitchen sink"
Also use the same... Liquinox for the records needing extra cleaning first, then follow with Tergitol solution...then filtered RO/DI water rinse...
The "Very Best Record Cleaning Formulation"
The "Very Best Record Cleaning Formulation"
I am providing this formulation for all who are interested in the very best, and can be proven and demonstrated to be the "Very Best". It can easily be made from available ingredients. On the surface, it appears to be very simple. However, it is based on extensive complex chemistry along with precise mathematical calculations and verifiable data.
You may use it with absolute confidence and be truly assured that it is beyond doubt the "Very Best". You may use it for your personal needs. Or, archival entities may use it for their purposes with confidence. Or, you may choose to start an enterprise that makes and packages quantities as either a "ready-to-use" or a "Semi-concentrated" version for sale and distribution knowing that nothing better exists. You have my blessings and encouragement with one condition. And, that is, that the pricing represents a "fair margin", and, not an obscene gouging, typical for such products.
Initially, I had prepared a presentation that briefly introduced myself, and provided the thought processes, design parameters, and the necessary basics of chemistry, physics, and mathematics to assure you and allow you to be absolutely confident in this formulation. I made a considerable effort to keep it as simple, but, also as thorough enough to achieve this confidence. However, that presentation entailed 5,239 words, typical of such a requirement, however, unacceptable in length by this website forum.
I have no option other than to offer the formulation as a 100% parts by weight version suitable to produce 1 Kilogram of the cleaner, and, invite you to question me about any aspect of the formulation.
Professionally, I am a Chemist, more specifically a Polyurethane Chemist. I have a Doctorate in Chemistry as well as two other Doctorates and a M.B.A.. I held prominent positions in significant corporations before being encouraged to start our (wife and I) manufacturing facility servicing those I previously worked for. We started, owned, and fully operated this business. We eventually obtained 85+% Market Share in our sector in Medical, Automotive, Sporting Goods, and Footwear areas before retirement.
The Audio Industry is extremely technical and many brilliant minds have contributed their talents over the decades in order that we may enjoy music today as we choose. Like many other technical industries, those of lesser minds and values invade the arena with their "magical" inspired revelations and offer their "magical" ingredients and items to all at extremely high prices. They promise that if only we are willing to part with our money - they can provide these items to you that make your audio system sound as if the orchestra, or vocalist, is in your room with you. And, after all, "magical items" must be expensive, otherwise, they would not be "magical".
This disturbs me enormously, and, it is for such reasons, I feel compelled to provide realistic and truthful information that conforms to basic Engineering, Chemistry, Physics, and Mathematical Principals in those areas with which I am very knowledgeable and familiar.
"Ultimate Record Cleaner Solution"
Ingredient Amount by Weight (Grams)
Distilled Water 779.962
Ethyl Alcohol 220.000
Tergitol 15-S-7 (Dow Chemical) 0.038 (Approx. = 2 Drops)
1,000.000
Important and/or Relevant Criteria
1.) Distilled Water ONLY. Do not use deionized, tap, rain, or spring water. Distilled Water is readily available in most grocery stores. Check labeling to be certain that it is distilled and not deionized. The pricing is comparable.
2.) Ethanol must be purchased at a "Liquor Store" or a "Liquor Control Board" that is suitable for human consumption, and the appropriate taxes must be paid. This assures that the alcohol consists of only Ethyl Alcohol and water. You need to purchase the 95+% version, also known as 180+ Proof. NOTHING ELSE is acceptable. (100% Ethyl Alcohol is not available under "normal" circumstances). Denatured alcohol from a Hardware Store or elsewhere is PROHIBITED, as well as ANY other alcohols.
3.) Tergitol 15-S-7 is made by Dow and is available on the internet in small quantities from Laboratory Supply Houses such as Fisher and Advance, etc.. I have no affiliations with either Dow Chemical, or Fisher, or Advance. You MUST use Tergitol 15-S-7 ONLY. No other Tergitol product is acceptable for this designed formula, and you need to acquire the undiluted form only.
4.) The above cleaner formula will result in a non-foaming (VLF) Surfactant Formulation that exhibits the following:
Surface Tension of 28.5 dynes/centimeter @ 20 C. (68.0 F.)
Surface Tension of 28.2 dynes/centimeter @ 25 C. (77.0 F.)
5.). A Surface Tension of 28.5 dynes/centimeter is Remarkable and will properly clean records of all organic soilings, and all oily substances, as well as very significant amounts of inorganic soilings. This available Surface Tension coupled with the Azeotropic Characteristics of very rapid evaporation and spotless drying occur because of the selection of Ethyl Alcohol and the very specific concentration determined as 22.00% p.b.w., further improves the products abilities. The "Ease-of-Use" and "Spot-Free" results are to be accepted.
6.). Be aware that an "ideal temperature of use" also exists for this formulation. And, that reasonable temperature is 40 C. (104.0 F.). Further increases in temperature offers no improvement, therefore, confirming the proper use of the term "ideal". I mention this not because of of any substantial improvement, but, only to be aware of its’ existence. And, if you have a choice to utilize a room that is warmer than another, select the warmer room closer to 104.0 F. There is no need to elevate the temperature of the records or the materials. Simply be aware that 104.0 F. Is ideal.
If interest is expressed in this submission, I am willing to provide additional submissions regarding other materials, and, other areas of interest. Such as"Best Contact Substance", "Best lubricants for turntables", " Better Dampening Materials" for turntables and tonearms, and, most significantly, "Best" material for "Turntable Platter/Vinyl Record Interface" usually called "Record Mats". The last item will certainly disturb many individuals and anger many suppliers.
Whatever I may contribute is substantiated by Science and Testing, and Verifiable. Science has no Opinions. Opinions in these matters are best reserved for those who rely on their imagination and wishful thinking.
Also, I have no vested interests in this Industry. Simply possess some scientific knowledge that also relates to some aspects of the Audio Area, and I am willing to share that information if requested!
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@wizzzard |
Regarding your post 17 June 2023 at 6:06 PM The PURPOSE of this (my) forum is clearly stated in my very first posting. It is located at the very beginning. It is also automatically reposted at the very top of every subsequent page thereafter. You are only required to read it to understand. There is nothing to question about its' intent, you simply need to read it! If, at that point you still do not understand, there is nothing further I can do to assist you. Thank you for your expressed interest. |
Regarding your post 17 June 2023 at 6:28 PM Know that this clearly relates to an earlier post on 10 June 2023 at 9:24 PM, and I recall that post vividly, and have been meaning to respond as soon as I could. If you can recall some other postings to others, I am limited in my functioning abilities. The significant delays being related to keyboarding my responses. Which also relates to previous statements made that I often write my extended responses by hand, and key them in at a later time. Such was the case when I was responding to @jasonbourne71 who had several questions. I started to respond in a handwritten to him when I realized that it was far too lengthy and I eliminated significant portions of my intended response. In the process I managed to convolute the story, and in my haste to at least get back to him, I failed to notice my errors until you so kindly pointed it out to me. Afterwards, I. wanted to concentrate on @mijostyn and others to respond to them, and get to you afterwards. I am still sorry that he @mijostyn has only received a small portion of my prepared response. Since you bring this up at this time, I will deviate from the schedule I have prepared regarding my order of responses. Remember, I am functioning with limitations. Yes, I did purchase my first AR-XA turntable in December 1969. I was not able to listen to the table until either December 1970 or January 1971, I only recall that it was around the Christmas period. I did not purchase the 10 additional AR-XA turntables until late 1971. Buy the way, the first table purchased was damaged in a move, that is why I later purchased other turntables. Afterwards, I was captivated by the AR ES-1, and I had purchased a total of three of those. The First, was one of the very first available, and the final AR ES-1 in July 1989 which has the aluminum tonearm board and is fitted with the AudioQuest Tonearm and Audioquest MC Cartridge, as it was supplied as a package.. When I purchased the AR-XA turntables I was given small case of something called D 3. It came in a red plastic bottle with white writing. When I purchased the AR ES-1 turntables is when I was supplied with a small case again of the product made by the LAST Company. Afterwards, I became committed to the Oracle Delphi. My first Oracle Delphi was the MK III. I have owned 6 Oracle turntables in my lifetime. I presently have 4, one is boxed away, and the other three are in use all affixed with SME V tonearms. Two AR-XA are boxed away, and two AR ES-1's are also boxed away. So that is the complete story, and in the intended chronological order. And, I sincerely do thank you for pointing out the mistake made, otherwise, it would have gone un-noticed. I believe that I also stated that this is my very first evolvement in any forum, and that error was made at the very beginning. Thank you again. |
As much as it may not be wanted, but at this stage not going to be obtainable to have. This Thread is a being used by a proportion of contributors, including myself, as an "in conjunction with content", to be used as an addition to other info attained for the purposes of Cleaning/Purification of a the Hard Medium Vinyl. Prior to this Thread I had abandoned all previous used methods, which I substituted with the PAVCR Manual Cleaning Method, using the recommended volumes of substances for the mixtures to produce solutions to enable the cleaning to be achieved. This Thread focuses intently on a particular solution, made up from a mixture of very specific volumes of the recommended substances. The Solution being presented has now brought about a situation where some fully comprehend the ideas behind it, as it has been a type of solution already put to use by a limited few contributors to the thread. Others like myself do not fully grasp the reason for the specifics associated with the substances needed for mixture to produce the proposed Solution. Speaking for myself I have a trust in the content and accept it to be a Solution that is optimised to perform a particular role, especially for penetrating deep into the Vinyl's groove and being able to release micron sized contamination. Having this as a Solution to be at hand and used in conjunction with other clearly defined and easily understood methods that can be used, as advised in the PAVCR from Neil Antin, will in my view only add to the positive experiences that are attached to using Neil's advisories, which have proved to be extremely successful. When it comes to cleaning Vinyl and achieving that moment, when it is realised, that a long owned LP, that was once relegated to sentimental ownership only, is now once again usable, without any concerns for it when being used as a replay medium. All Solutions proposed to be capable of achieving this are met with a curiosity and attraction. |
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