High end speakers at low volume


After having got accustomed to my new Vitus RI-101 mk II, I came to the conclusion that I need to improve my system's performance at low volume to enjoy music more.

Current sources: LinnLP12, Holo Spring 3 KTE, Nucleus. 
Speakers: Avalon Idea. 
Shunyata Delta NR V2 and Hemingway Indigo PC, Tara Labs Forté, TQ 2 Black diamond IC.

I am looking at replacing the Avalon Idea with speakers that could improve the low volume listening experience. I listen to 60 / 70db, I can afford to go up to 85db for very short time (neighbours).

I am also considering to purchase a Loki Max which I understood being quite a neutral EQ unit.

I have selected a few speakers which should match my musical taste based on what I have read:

- YG Carmel 2
- Wilson Sabrina X
- Vandersteen treo ct
- TAD ME1

I don't have the chance to listen to them except the TAD ME1 which I have enjoyed very much but not in my apartment.

Budget max $15k new or used.

I am looking for speakers sounding musical, with wide soundstage, not cold, detailed yet not analytical.

I mostly listen to classic rock, blues and jazz.

The system sits at the end of the long wall in a living room measuring 33x13ft, listening position 8ft from the speakers.

Unfortunately I have to face a tough WAF putting several limits:

- speakers must have a clean design, not black, not too hifi looking... and not too big
- distance from the wall behind the speakers 25cm

I don't mind changing amplifier if it will be necessary to match the next speakers.

I haven't found a preamp that I could consider a good candidate except a very expensive CSport featuring a loudness button which works very well (tested at Ana Mighty Sound).

I would much appreciate some advice from who knows well the above speakers or who had similar needs.

ricco275

Since you mentioned the high WAF, i would recommend you showing her pictures of the speakers in advance, then listen.  Or bring it down to two or three choices.  My wife hated my Klipsch setup, but loved the Wilsons.  For that reason alone, i would look at the Sabrinas.  Have you considered getting Roon and  setting up a digital adjustment for when you need to listen at low volumes.  I find this very useful, and it is much cheaper than dropping 15 k on speakers.  

Last, and i know you didn't ask, but your money can go much further with used speakers where there can be great value to price.

 

You people are driving me mad.

There is so much mumbo jumbo in audio land, but the Equal Loudness Compensation is long standing verifiable science.

Being an old dog having used ’Loudness’, in many makers products, and the Chase RLC-1 I wrote about, I am well aware of the benefit of ’Loudness’ Compensation at low volumes.

The biggest improvement, for me, is to maintain proper level of Jazz bass players, which maintains ’involvement’ at low volume, without it, I find it becomes simply non-involving background music, musak if you will.

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So many have equipment without balance, tone, loudness, .. ’PURE’ circuit paths, that the solution must be solved via add on equipment, the Chase unit the simplest for ANY setup. Optional use via tape or processor loops is ideal for the ’PURE’ crowd, however much newer equipment lacks in/out loops.

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To suggest ’this’ speaker is best for low volume is a chase into a firey pit.

LOOK at the equal loudness curve, look/read, don’t ignore it because you lack features

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal-loudness_contour

IF any speaker sounds very good at low volume, without using tone controls or some form of equal loudness compensation, then that speaker’s frequency response has to be terrible at normal or louder volume!

TERRIBLE. Imagine Stereophile reviewing speakers with a frequency response reflecting the equal loudness contour as factory produced normal sound level.

Imagine a speaker designer deliberately producing said frequency response, being proud of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A bad joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

@elliottbnewcombjr agree 100% that need to boost up frequencies if you want to enjoy - I repeat enjoy and not having a perfect curve - music at low volume. I just need to find the easiest and less invasive component in any sense. I think the Loki Max should be good even if analogue. The Anthem preamp may alter the sound signature of the chain more.

@scott828 I know the thread is not short and people may have missed it but I have purchased a pair of TAD ME1 as showroom demo in mint condition. I love love love them and they sound terrific with the Vitus and at low volume too. Of course they could sound better at low volume as stated above by many.

congrats on finding a good deal on speakers that you really like.

current discussion about stands IF you did not buy their stands:

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/why-are-speaker-stands-so-expensive

my opinion stated there:

elliottbnewcombjr

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I prefer tilting the speakers back so the tweeter is aimed at seated ear height, thus shorter stands, and a method of tilt, like these referenced above

https://www.ebay.com/itm/322933325356?hash=item4b30537e2c:g:Ax8AAOSwwKxbu5Fh&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwE7os%2F9NrvMxBj7%2FqbegKJC8JIGA2QuGq3qndkSjS6MfMGPlar5i1w%2Bk1jdfDUp8AIE8IerC6%2FREMZwqMx3yInekBvgwZo9uv5iHZrLm9AOKf%2F8kMF%2B784TCdwE2Y8efabz8f5E0U5O7FOWzY%2B633GyGNUACwxB2xTDe5MwMz6%2BlurGwlFxlixq0LC7rcF2u2vRgGvGRv%2BzVjb7Ihvg559vf24fOP6G%2BbGX%2BD5gVNC8sTf2cI8VH4C5AwnlX%2FgMvPg%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR5qB9MaZYg

 

1. Tilt or Non-Tilting stand. (Non-Tilting stand will not have rear lip on top plate)

2. Choose a size for the top and bottom platforms (up to 10" X 10")

(Top and Bottom Platforms can be the same size or different)

3. Choose a height for your stands.

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The tilt, combined with angled toe-in combine to alter the reflections from walls, ceiling, floor (both direct and reflected)

elliottbnewcombjr

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Note: matching your speaker’s color (not grain)

You could ask for unfinished oak, and a few waste strips of that oak (from that batch)..

Then you need to try on the waste strips until you find the color that works with that oak that ends up very close to your finish.

OR, asked for painted, black or send a color chip, paint can, ....

You get the idea, make them look like factory or custom.