Benz Micro Glider Loading


Hello,

I have an original Benz Glider. The measurements that came with the cartridge is .9mv and suggested loading is 1000-47k.

I ran this into a Krell KSL w/phono stage at 1k with good results.

I’ve also ran this into a Rogue Audio Model 99 Magnum with tubed phono and Hagerman Piccolo head amp at 1k with good results.

Right now, I’m using a MoFi Studio phono pre and am running it at 1k.

I’ve tried higher and lower load settings and to my ears, 1k seems to be the sweet spot.

I’ve been looking at phono pre’s on Audiogon and USAudiomart. I noticed some of them don’t have 1k loading as an option.

Should this deter me from considering these units?

I noticed after doing some research that others have been running their Gliders at much less than 1k. I found that running it much below 1k kind of sucked the life out of the sound in my experience.

I should mention that I had the Glider retipped with a micro-line stylus profile. The original was elliptical.

Admittedly, I may not understand loading and how it works as well as others. I can only go by what sounds good to me.

nicktheknife

@atmasphere

I don’t want to appear ignorant but I’m not sure how the info you provided helps me in deciding what phono pre I should look for other than listening of course which really isn't an option when buying used.   One with a 1k loading option or not?

In my previous phono pre’s 1k or close seemed to work the best. Some phono pre’s don’t have this option as I’m sure you know.

I have two MC cartridges and one MM. I like to swap them out fairly often.

I guess I should be looking for something that’s more flexible/adjustable than some of the others out there.

 

I can suggest:
The Hagerman Trumpet MC is very flexible, easy to adjust in gain & loading with front knobs, sounds great, and doesn’t cost much. Its main limitation is lack of adjustable capacitive loading for MM. It has a warm sound that goes GREAT with Benz cartridges. Due to a bit of noise floor, it’s best with the 0.4mV and higher models.

The Benz PP-1 (discontinued but available used) has a fixed 22K input load that can be used with splitters and loading plugs (e.g. the DB Systems Loading Kit) to hit any target load without internal modification (this loading plug technique can be used with any non-SUT based MC phono stage with a sufficiently high input impedance). The PP-1 is not as warm as the Hagerman, but only just. And it’s a bit quieter. For a Solid State unit, it’s quite warm and sweet! Unfortunately, it’s MC only. It’s a PERFECT match for the 0.4mV models. It still works great with the medium output models like your Glider, but I find the Hagerman a bit more optimal at that level. I.e. I find the Benz Wood SM (0.9mV) better on the Trumpet MC, but the Wood L2 (0.4mV) is better on the PP-1.

The Rogue Ares Magnum and Herron VTPH-2A are also good options (Herron uses loading plugs, Ares uses DIP switches for loading), but I find them tonally brighter / leaner versus the above options. My preference is usually with the sweeter stages.

MC stages with a SUT front end are generally not going to be very flexible with loading (Rogue Ares being an exception to this), as their loading is usually dictated by 47K ohms divided by the square of the step-up ratio.

I don’t want to appear ignorant but I’m not sure how the info you provided helps me in deciding what phono pre I should look for other than listening of course which really isn't an option when buying used.   One with a 1k loading option or not?

@nicktheknife You will have to listen. Designers are not in the habit of letting you know whether they know what they are doing or not. My point was that 1K isn't needed if the phono section is properly designed; the industry stock standard of 47K should be fine.

@atmasphere 

Thanks for your response and patience.  I'm not as technically knowledgeable as someone as yourself but it's nice to soak up as much info as possible.

@mulveling 

I'll look into some of your suggestions.  I think I mentioned earlier that I had a Hagerman Piccolo that I built from a kit.   I liked it very much and wish I still had it.  

I also took pride in the fact that I built it and could put quality parts into it.