OK Amir, I will help the activity over at ASR. Your impressive efforts here have won me over.
I'm going over there right now and argue that measurements mean next to nothing.
That should help....
:)
Did Amir Change Your Mind About Anything?
It’s easy to make snide remarks like “yes- I do the opposite of what he says.” And in some respects I agree, but if you do that, this is just going to be taken down. So I’m asking a serious question. Has ASR actually changed your opinion on anything? For me, I would say 2 things. I am a conservatory-trained musician and I do trust my ears. But ASR has reminded me to double check my opinions on a piece of gear to make sure I’m not imagining improvements. Not to get into double blind testing, but just to keep in mind that the brain can be fooled and make doubly sure that I’m hearing what I think I’m hearing. The second is power conditioning. I went from an expensive box back to my wiremold and I really don’t think I can hear a difference. I think that now that I understand the engineering behind AC use in an audio component, I am not convinced that power conditioning affects the component output. I think.
So please resist the urge to pile on. I think this could be a worthwhile discussion if that’s possible anymore. I hope it is.
"The ASR site seems to confirm this by rarely even mentioning sound quality of a measured component and doesn't even try to find any correlation between Amir's measurements and sound quality." Is that right? Here is my latest speaker review: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/focal-solo6-st6-monitor-review.45784/ "On first playback, I was impressed by the dynamics and level of bass, in addition to clean sound. I could have lived with the speaker as is but thought I should play with EQ to see if I can improve on it: Pulling down the 60 Hz hump resulted in "tighter" bass but then it was a bit light in that department and the highs stood out more. I dialed in the dip for the highs and that helped but still too much of a trade off. So I added the third filter in upper bass to fill that region. With all three there, I liked the sound better. Clarity was improved and vocals came more to the forefront. But I could see someone liking the stock sound as well given the small amount of adjustment here. With the EQ in there, I could sit there and enjoy the speaker for hours." This is not telling you how it sounded? And the significant correlation between measurements and listening test results? Here is a recent headphone review: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/dan-clark-audio-ether-flow-1-1-headphone-review.45821/ Dan Clark Audio Ether Flow 1.1 Listening Tests & EQ Strategy was a dip for the resonant peak and then two PEQs to boost the whole region. Upper bass was pulled down and low bass pulled up to taste. Depending on good your high frequency hearing is, you may want to play with pulling those resonant peaks down as well. Translation: you haven't spent a quality minute on ASR to be making the claims you just did. Poster after poster uses talking points fed to them about what ASR is. Reality and facts seem to not be important. |
Hahaha. Love it. Thanks for the recommendation. |
" Knowing the measurements before listening causes objectivists to be anything but objective. They are already biased. " "Say that to your doctor next time he makes measurements of your health and then diagnoses what is wrong with you. Tell him to just trust his ears and hands. No need for X-ray, MRI, blood pressure, etc. You know, the measurement stuff that biases him. " So you deny that knowing the measurements before listening may cause bias? How could it be a blind test then? It’s worse than just physically seeing them and seeing what make they are or their price.
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Hi Dave. Long time no see. On your comment, measurements are a great idea no matter what. Ask any acousticians how to optimize the bass response in a room: they say to measure. It doesn't matter how much you know some music. Knowing that you have a peak at 40 and not 50 Hz won't come from that. It will come from measurements. And of course, what is on the recoding is not a copy of the live experience. No microphone can capture what your two ears and a brain do in live music. And of course that is on top of all the manipulations done in mixing and mastering of music. It is best to think of a recording as a painting of real life, not a photograph. In that sense, familiarity with real instruments won't help you. This is why musicians as a rule are not audiophiles. |