Did Amir Change Your Mind About Anything?


It’s easy to make snide remarks like “yes- I do the opposite of what he says.”  And in some respects I agree, but if you do that, this is just going to be taken down. So I’m asking a serious question. Has ASR actually changed your opinion on anything?  For me, I would say 2 things. I am a conservatory-trained musician and I do trust my ears. But ASR has reminded me to double check my opinions on a piece of gear to make sure I’m not imagining improvements. Not to get into double blind testing, but just to keep in mind that the brain can be fooled and make doubly sure that I’m hearing what I think I’m hearing. The second is power conditioning. I went from an expensive box back to my wiremold and I really don’t think I can hear a difference. I think that now that I understand the engineering behind AC use in an audio component, I am not convinced that power conditioning affects the component output. I think. 
So please resist the urge to pile on. I think this could be a worthwhile discussion if that’s possible anymore. I hope it is. 

chayro

@amir_asr 

"Ultimately we don't know how a recording is supposed to sound like."

Such an unprepossessing sentence and yet one that threatens to undermine the entire audiophile industry.

It is the reality unfortunately.  Take video production.  It has strict standard for luma and chroma (black and white and color information).  Content is created using that standard.  So as long as you calibrate your display to the same, you get the identical colors as was seen by people who reproduced the content. This has enabled displays to become incredibly accurate in the last few years.

In sharp contrast, no one knows the tonality of anything produced in creation of music.  That brightness in music may be part of it, your may bey our speaker.  You don't know.  Dr. Toole calls it circle of confusion. I call it "broken architecture."  Here is a survey Genelec did of their customers in high end production suites (for film sound):

See the incredible variations?  And this is with Genelec speakers where each unit is measured and fully calibrated to neutral when manufactured.  

There is some hope here.  As long as we all rally around neutral speakers, then we can reduce the level of confusion and lack of consistency.  This is slowly happening as even low cost speakers are striving for this now.  Sadly, many high-end speakers go their own way with at times abominable tonality.

@amir_asr Humor me and show me where you answered why you took down the thread? Simply because it’s a YouTube video and you don’t let creators benefit from ASR traffic?

Why is this one allowed then?

And this one

Annnnd this one

How are all of these allowed but that one is not? Just look at how many likes someone defending Erin got compared to yours. Even your own users don’t agree with you on this one. Your feelings got hurt and you took it out on the thread. How objective of you!

I couldn’t care less how much money you make, and I have no interest in running an audio website so no I think me projecting is way off base.

but the most important is that the tool you use to measure a design are not appropriate to the human hearings pasycho-acoustic basic science and not even appropriate to amplifier design...

That is not what we do with the tool.  The tool gives you data.  A human interprets it against psychoacoustics research which is based on listening.

And what is the alternative?  Not measuring?  Then how do you know your listening tests are accurate?  Just because you say so?  I can get 10 audiophiles and get 10 different answers as to the impressions of a speaker.  One guy likes Wilson and the other Magico.  How do you know who is right?  Answer is that you don't.  You are relying on ad-hoc evaluations devoid of the very science you mention. 

This is all demonstrated and fully documented in peer review research.  So nothing I am telling you is my opinion. 

Why is this one allowed then?

And this one

Annnnd this one

How are all of these allowed but that one is not? 

I give members wide latitude to post what they want even if it is linking to monetized content.  This is why Erin's content was allowed to be posted and still remains to this day. 

You didn't answer me: why are you not posting Erin's video here and discussing it?  

 

it take me 2 year to design my room and tune it... I was in sonic paradise at no cost..

I loose it and music too in an abrupt way... I was very sad and depressed, but you know it is NOTHING, compared to what fate do to others... Anyway i tell you that  because you can know how i was feeling and why without any audio system nor music i did not came back for 10 months...

I came back here, because this fateful loss was a turn of luck... I studied my headphone 6 months non stop ,  did 6 modifications, and believe it or not it rival my room in his own way and improve on it on bass and high frequencies... The K340 is an electrostatic with a dynamic driver... I even study the patent of Dr. Gorike to understand what i nmust do to improve it...It is the first headphone i love, i dislike all other 9 one ...So much it is the reason why many years ago i come back to speakers but this time experimenting with acoustic...

I was so excited by my sucess with the K340  i came back here ... I like most people here, even if we disagree... I like discussion.. I miss my students...

Thanks for your kindness ...

@mahgister

I’m also sorry to hear of your loss.

I hope it wasn’t as traumatic as it sounds.