Did Amir Change Your Mind About Anything?

And Amir keeps proselytizing while avoiding any real questioning. Don’t let him get the last word. He’s only here to pump asr. We get that you’re science based

amir_asr

What you describing is a person like @soundfield.  He is the one that will ridicule you at mere mention that anything sounds different in audio.  He has no use for your ears or any possibility that technically something may have an audible effect.

I on the other hand ...

Ad hominem logical fallacy. Personal attack.

What sticks out to me about the subjective/objective thing is things like the Magnepan LRS speakers which I and many others have and love yet measure poorly on ASR.   Are things like image size and room reflection dynamics of dipoles etc things that can be measured.   Can we show some objective measured thing that explains why many like the Maggies.   I think this is where the measurement approach fails.

The LRS was both measured by me and by Workwyn for AudioExpress with the same results.  Speaker beams heavily creating a very narrow listing spot.  In addition, it has little to no bass.  These are facts enforced by physics of speaker design and there is nothing you can do about it:

The appeal of these dipole speakers is that they are basically effect boxes.  The back reflections create a spacious sound that many audiophiles relish.  I am not a fan because it overlays the same effect on every kind of music.  This becomes tiring to me as I don't expect rock/pop tracks to sound this way.  Ditto for the tall image their portray.

But again, I know the appeal.  I know that with a ton of fiddling and room manipulation you can improve their sound.  So no need to search for such proof.  If you want a specialized speaker, they can be a good choice.

@amir_asr stop spamming to cover up your lack of accountability. Desperately seeking attention. 

In building my own horn speakers, I had no luck in achieving a satisfying sound until I paid attention to the science Amir is referencing. I should note that I was aware of this science from the beginning of the project and believed in it, but had some conceptual errors about how to get there, so the initial result was way off the mark. I finally realized that there was simply no way to adjust my way out of the physical arrangement choices I had made. I had to choose a different tweeter horn flare and position it differently, and work on the crossover setting until I could get a smooth on and off axis response down to below 600Hz. I didn’t have access to a Spinorama machine so it took a lot of painstaking measurements on and off axis, setting the time window in REW short enough to reasonably simulate an anechoic space, and carefully measuring the placement of the microphone. It’s amazing to hear something finally so satisfying when before I was questioning the capabilities of the drivers, cabinets, room and electronics to have the capability to get there. The science really did lead me much closer to where I wanted to be, although taste still comes in to play. I had to tweak the on-axis measured response slightly by ear but I eventually reached a sound quality that I was starting to believe might be impossible without spending a lot more on electronics and drivers. Even thought I knew it was a problem, the poor off axis response sounded bad enough that it made me doubt the quality of components that weren’t at fault. I can't imagine the rabbit's hole I would have went down trying to correct the issue by trying different amps, DACs, and cables before getting that sorted out.