Did Amir Change Your Mind About Anything?


It’s easy to make snide remarks like “yes- I do the opposite of what he says.”  And in some respects I agree, but if you do that, this is just going to be taken down. So I’m asking a serious question. Has ASR actually changed your opinion on anything?  For me, I would say 2 things. I am a conservatory-trained musician and I do trust my ears. But ASR has reminded me to double check my opinions on a piece of gear to make sure I’m not imagining improvements. Not to get into double blind testing, but just to keep in mind that the brain can be fooled and make doubly sure that I’m hearing what I think I’m hearing. The second is power conditioning. I went from an expensive box back to my wiremold and I really don’t think I can hear a difference. I think that now that I understand the engineering behind AC use in an audio component, I am not convinced that power conditioning affects the component output. I think. 
So please resist the urge to pile on. I think this could be a worthwhile discussion if that’s possible anymore. I hope it is. 

chayro

@amir_asr ,

The LRS was both measured by me and by Workwyn for AudioExpress with the same results.  Speaker beams heavily creating a very narrow listing spot.  In addition, it has little to no bass.  These are facts enforced by physics of speaker design and there is nothing you can do about it:


Did you post the correct graph?  I went and looked at the review. This is the vertical directivity graph. I think it should be narrow because it is a line speaker. This would be a feature not a fault. On your website, the horizontal directivity seems wide, but I may be reading it wrong.

 

Ironically Amir is vehemently anti-upmixing. See this thread https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/what-do-listeners-prefer-for-small-room-acoustics.286/page-7#post-9703

But he went completely mute when he hero Toole made clear he does just that https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/effect-of-loudspeaker-directivity-compared-with-in-room-measurements.21508/page-14#post-1031803

Not a peep out of him about that ;-).

I don't know how you missed my response on the next page:

"The first time I tried Lexicon Logic 7, I found it captivating. Sat there enjoying a few CDs. But then the effect grew old and constant errors in how it created multi-channel from stereo became too much so I did not go back to it. It is definitely no replacement for true multi-channel as Carl states."

That is not at all "vehemently anti-upmixing." I tried it and it grew old. And this was with Lexicon algorithm.  Perhaps Aura3D is better (see below).

As to Dr. Toole, this is what he said at that link:

"The only "faux" multichannel that I have ever condoned is upmixing, and the success of that depends on the nature of the stereo mix and of the particular upmixer - there are several quite different options. None that I have experienced are gratifying for all recordings, but I now regularly use the Auto3D upmixer."

I quoted the key section for you where he acknowledges it is not for all recordings.  He listens to a lot more classical music than I do.  I listen to much more modern music.  That makes a difference as to whether you like the "faux" upmixing or not.

Note that our multichannel room is strictly for watching movies.  It is a window-less room and I don't enjoy sitting there for music consumption.  My main music system is in a different place that doesn't make it easy to set up multichannel. The content I listen to doesn't come in multichannel so again, it is moot.

Did you post the correct graph?  

I did.  Vertical directivity was a problem for me as any change in how I was sitting would impact tonality.  See my listening expressions from the review:

I first positioned the panel right at me and started to play. What I heard sounded like it was coming from a deep well! I then dropped the little rings on the stand and repositioned the speaker as you see in the picture (less toed in). That made a big difference and for a few clips I enjoyed decent sound. Then I played something with bass and it was as if the speaker was drowned under water again. It wasn't just absence of deep bass but rather, quietness on top of that.

 

This whole thread is like watching a couple of old, slightly obese guys at a flea market arguing over whether the AMC Gremlin was a better car than the Pontiac Aztec.....either may or may not be right but it just isn't relevant.

Slightly obese??? I am not obese at all.  See me in the middle in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Z0W_KlHOT5M