Did Amir Change Your Mind About Anything?

This thread, like many others, seems to boil down to the ’subjective’ vs. ’objective’ arguments, and which are better?

IOW, nothing new here.

@othercrazycanuck You say that you bought all kinds of gear based on professional reviews and recommendations. Did you not consider listening to the gear first for yourself, before a purchase? IME, to spend $$ on any gear before first having the chance to listen is really the ONLY way to know if the piece under consideration fits into your listening biases! ( and we all have listening biases, which is why i fall into the subjective camp). Perhaps being in an area/locale that is removed from the ability to actually source these pieces for yourself, would lead to acquisitions based on someone else’s reviews or recommendations, but I think then relying on purely measurements posted by anyone would also lead to major disappointment.

I beg your pardon but all my posts which are a rational discussion with Amir were not about subjectivits and objectivists, which is a MEANINGLESS debate let to itself most of the times; but more about the relation between measuring context and hearing theories, mainly Fourier inspired theory of hearings and ecological theory of hearings...I debate him about PSYCHO-ACOUSTIC not about his objectivism techno ideology as most audiophile subjectivist do WITH NO SUCCESS because they dont adress the fundamentals behind measures and behind hearings..

i like to be understood... Dont take it personal...

This thread, like many others, seems to boil down to the ’subjective’ vs. ’objective’ arguments, and which are better?

IOW, nothing new here.

@daveyf, of course I listen. I guess I gave the impression I did not. I listened at stores, I listened to what other people said, I even did in home trials. Funny thing the brain though, it often tells you what you want to hear, and I think in a strange joke of mother nature on audiophiles, the harder you listen, the more your brain tells you what you want to hear. Looking back on my journey, I think I convinced myself of a lot of stuff that was not true. That is why I was always looking for the next upgrade. I was not doing a lot of anything though I thought I was.

No one can tell you whether/how your system, room and/or ears will respond to some new addition.   There are simply too many variables.

When I thought I knew everything but really knew nothing, this is what I believed too. Now that I have a good foundation of how things work, including the metaphorical me, and by me I mean our hearing, I have a pretty good idea, if I can get enough information, to know how the system (including all the pieces) will respond and what that means for the sound I will hear. I no longer feel I am on the merry-go-round, lots of movement but always ending up in the same place. Now I am walking a line to where I want to go. It is not always straight, but I keep moving forward, not in a circle.

 LIKEWISE: no one can possibly know whether a new addition (ie: some kind of disc, crystal, fuse, interconnect, speaker cable, etc)  will make a difference, in their system and room, with their media and to their ears, without trying them for themselves.   

Oh we can.  If I told you that my music sounds warmer when I wear read socks vs blue you are going to go along with that?  You won't opine that this can't be possible?  That we could measure the effect of red vs blue socks and show conclusively that there is no difference? Or use knowledge of acoustics that says what light sees as far as color, doesn't matter when it comes to sound?

What if I insisted that I can hear the difference?  What if I started to sell red socks saying it makes your music sound warmer, more like real instruments and less "digital?" What then?  I am still good to go and you will defend me if someone shows up with all of the above science and engineering to show these socks can't possibly make a difference?

You see the problem?  Some of you have let your guard down so much that you know believe anything can make a difference in sound.  You don't realize how trivial it is for your brain to manufacture differences where there is none in the sound waves.  You not only go along with these faulty tests and conclusions and come to these forums encouraging people to do the same.  And damage is done.

You don't live the rest of your life this way.  Don't do it for audio.  Know the limits of your audio testing.  It is not like you are born with knowledge of your brain and perils of ad-hoc subjective testing.