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Did Amir Change Your Mind About Anything?

It’s easy to make snide remarks like “yes- I do the opposite of what he says.”  And in some respects I agree, but if you do that, this is just going to be taken down. So I’m asking a serious question. Has ASR actually changed your opinion on anything?  For me, I would say 2 things. I am a conservatory-trained musician and I do trust my ears. But ASR has reminded me to double check my opinions on a piece of gear to make sure I’m not imagining improvements. Not to get into double blind testing, but just to keep in mind that the brain can be fooled and make doubly sure that I’m hearing what I think I’m hearing. The second is power conditioning. I went from an expensive box back to my wiremold and I really don’t think I can hear a difference. I think that now that I understand the engineering behind AC use in an audio component, I am not convinced that power conditioning affects the component output. I think. 
So please resist the urge to pile on. I think this could be a worthwhile discussion if that’s possible anymore. I hope it is. 

chayro
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mahgister
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Are you kidding me?

the testing of the design oprocess included Real musical burst and sine wave... All designer use Fourier tools.. I dont understand your point... you seems desesperate to put me in a box with a contradiction..

I am not the expert on design... But all designer Use Fourier tools... There is NO AUDIO DEESIGN WITHOUT FOURIER TOOLS...

but hearing theory is impossible to understand with only Fourier tools and theory..We need other more ecological approach because sound phenomenon CANNOT BE RECONSTRUCTED as the ears produce them with ONLY FOURIER TOOLS...

I say WE SHOULD NOT USE ONLY FOURIER TOLLS AND SINE WAVE AND TONE BUT ALSO REAL MUSIC AND LISTENING AS  ESSENTIAL PART OF THE DESIGN...

You want to put in my mouth an absurdities...Fourier theory is essential to design... No designer can trash it..

You are not able to contradict me about hearing theory and then you resort to absurdities and put them in my mouth ..

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only an idiot will say that Fourier theory is useless in design... But Van Maanen use real musical test and his psycho-acoustic knowledge and LISTENING as essential... Thats my point

 

 

Is it diffucult to understand ?

amir_asr
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@mahgister 

You know how to read i imagine..

I know how to read.  But I don't want to imagine anything.  I like to see facts, not articles written by someone to promote their electronic design.  Do you have proper listening test results for anything you have put forward?

amir_asr
777 posts
 

@mahgister

Are you kidding me?

the testing of the design oprocess included Real musical burst and sine wave...

No, I am dead serious. Were you there when he performed these listening tests? What was his equipment compared to? How was the listening test done? Blind? Level matched? How were any issues narrowed to the specific design techniques?

An why were any sine waves used? You keep saying they shouldn’t be used.

amir_asr
777 posts
 

@mahgister 

but hearing theory is impossible to understand with only Fourier tools and theory..We need other more ecological approach because sound phenomenon CANNOT BE RECONSTRUCTED as the ears produce them with ONLY FOURIER TOOLS...

Is it diffucult to understand ?

The claim no.  The proof, absolutely.  How have you convinced yourself of any of this without a single controlled test?  You say the ears matter yet your designer has not provided a single comparison with ears that his amplifiers sound better than any other amplifier.  

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mahgister
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He does not used ONLY fourier tool but his hearing theory ideas then musical real music too and mainly...

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