Did Amir Change Your Mind About Anything?

As just a “normie” who spends some money on audio, a pox on both your “measurements rule” and the “golden ears” side that dismisses anyone not “trained”..

I buy what is pleasing to me.  Don’t give a dang about “measurements” which mainly are measuring that which is beyond audibility for anyone over 40 that has actually had any kind of “blue collar” job.  
 

Got it.  Thank you.

Can I tell the difference between consumer grade klipsch vs magnepan and tektons? Absolutley.  (I have all 3).

Nobody was debating that but thank you again for stating that.

Can I tell the difference between an underpowered amplifier and one with sufficient power for the dynamic range of what I listen to and how loudly I listen to it?  Yep.

Excellent.  Again, no one was debating that.  Question is how you can tell that before you get the equipment to listen to.  I provide that information with measurement and sometimes with listening tests.

Can I tell that I prefer tube amplification for mids and highs, using SS amps for lows and subs for under 100hz (for music)? Yep.

So you say.  We have no way of knowing if you really can or not.

Can I tell the difference between a 192/24 vs mp3, especially as volume increases? Definitely.

So you say.  We have no way of knowing if you really can or not.

Can I tell that I prefer a $2000 tube amp over the same power $20000 tube amp? 

Or at least hear no difference..? Yep.

The second part I can believe.  The alternative, "we have no way of knowing if you really can or not." :)

What I buy, and what equipment provides me with hours on end of continued listening enjoyment,  at a price point I am willing to pay, has NOTHING to do with some elitist, sneering,  snob telling me that I am “wrong” because my equipment doesn’t “measure up” or that my choice is wrong because some “golden ear” says so.

Again, got it.

THAT is “my kind” @amir_asr 

Very clear now.  Thank you again.

Back to the cable thing, is this gentleman saying that the entire cable industry is without musical merit?  If so, he's literally deaf, or has a terribly low quality playback system/room 

First, if that is what I hear and I am supposed to trust my ears, I don't know why you would say I am deaf. 

Second, why are these system requirements not documented some place?  Never seen that from any cable manufacturer for example.  How would a potential buyer be informed prior to buying these things that their system is not "low quality?"

Here is a picture of my system.  Would you please advise if it is low or high quality?

Thank you.

This is exactly the point that Amir seems to be missing. Music is an art form. The reproduction of music is a combination of art and science. 

Interesting thought.  Should we start rating designers as to how much they know about art?  And if they don't, dismiss their work out of hand?

What does an amplifier know about art anyway and how did that knowledge get into it? Can it tell that I am playing nails scratching on a chalkboard from Mozart? If so, how does it do that?

Perfectly measuring gear is just spin for sales. Everything made goes through measurements and is made to spec and gets that CE approval so you know it won't burn your house down.

There is a difference between performance metrics and safety.  A car can accelerate fast/slow and be safe or not safe in a simulated crash.  These concepts are orthogonal to each other.  On that topic though, safety certifications and regulatory certifications are often missed from audiophile products.  Especially shameful is when it is a power cord where safety matters.

Now if a designer wants a certain sound and it means adding some distortion in order to achieve that goal, there's nothing wrong about doing that. It's already been pointed out by musicians, technicians and recording engineers. Again, nothing remotely wrong about that. 

Well said.  Simple request would be to a) show measurements so that people know you have put that in there and b) do a controlled listening test with a group of audiophiles showing the benefit.  Having me doing the measurements for them and you doing the listening tests doesn't make much sense.