Did Amir Change Your Mind About Anything?

I know you've all been waiting on the edges of your seats...the lady down the street with the cat? Its a female.

For Amir with my dedicated room and my 600 bucks system i am a deluded audiophile...😊

Who is deluded here with a 15 000 bucks perhaps useless electronic piece ? because as someone said wisely :

Does that say more about the processor or more about your room?

And he want to advise me about audiophile fraudster designers ...😋

And he wanted to advise me about hearing theory too...😋

And he want to advise me about small room acoustic too and he never did one ...😋

He stop babbling to me because i cited too much papers contradicting his perspective which is using electronics measures of design to specificy psycho-acoustic qualitative experience or negating them if he cannot make them correspond to his techno babbling ...

I am naive, i thought he could discuss "objectively" about the difference and complementarity between Fourier hearing based theory and ecologically based hearing theory, he did not even understand the basic problem to begin with ...

You cannot discuss science and experience with someone who want to "market" you his products.., the poster who want me to shut my mouth and quit, was wrong to ask me that, but he had a point i must admit ... I am naive...

By the way the only serious people to discuss with are those ready to admit they were wrong when they are...And all begin with ourself limitations and our own admission...

I never pretend that my room was perfect... But it beat everything i listen to in any living room with any system.. At no cost it was enough for me even imperfect because i did not use measuring tools but ears.. Anyway i used 100 Helmholtz resonators manually adjusted , how do you do this electronically ? It did not work the same at all... And peanuts costs means there is no market fraud here, only acoustic learnings..

@texbychoice Didn’t even really catch that. Good eye. It’s a very subjective statement and one that isn’t even backed by Amir’s precious data. How the heck do you buy a processor and then spend that much money only to brick it? I’ve never heard of a product or company being so crappy. He must really not be hurting if he just doesn’t care about a $15,000 loss. Time to ask for more donations.

My best friend in my teens was a completely savage male cat that will go only with me in the house...

he even attacked any other humans if they touch him...

He sleeped with me...

this documentary is interesting for me..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QadUonunflw

I know you've all been waiting on the edges of your seats...the lady down the street with the cat? Its a female.

The graph on its own cannot, but we also know the speakers and with enough accuracy the speaker placement as I noted we had your system image. Look at that graph, now go do a bunch of measurements on your speakers and their relationships to the walls and your room dimensions, calculate 1/2 and 1/4 wavelengths then start relating multiples of those numbers to your graphs. Science, not conjecture.

All of of that would be conjecture. Folks looked a picture without even those dimensions and declared this and that. Even if I gave you those measurements, walls are not built out of concrete so distances don’t automatically convert to modal frequencies. My ceiling is sloped making any such back of the envelop computation impossible. We measure because that is the proper science, not looking at a 1/3 octave smoothed graph meant for overall target curve and claiming you see the modal response there. You absolutely do not. You have to take into account perceptual effects of room reflections and that requires careful filtering of the results.

Regardless, I did not put forward my room as a laboratory or best example of a listening room. It was space I had, I put wonderful speakers in it, put in appropriate furnishings as to keep it nice looking and function, applied EQ and got wonderful sound and enjoyment out of it. Science backs all of this.

Some people want to make it their life project to screw around with their room acoustics. That is not me. I have function and aesthetic needs that they do not have.

Claiming that people should go and absorb reflections as you claimed is simply wrong advice for huge swath of audiophiles. It is misinformation that leads to people agonizing the sound of their room, wasting a ton of money and often arrive at too dead of the room.

In terms of throwing out those "professionals", I would have to throw you out as well for your insistence on only your way when your luminaries don’t even say what you claim.

The luminaries not only say what I say, if you knew them personally as I do, but do as I say. Here is Dr. Toole’s California room (he is selling and moving to Canada):

Does this look like it has a bunch of crap acoustic products all over as you claimed people should put in their living spaces? It doesn’t right?It even has a TV in the middle!

Just like my room, standard furnishing is used to provide adequate overall absorption so that the room is not too live. That’s all. He uses multiple subs with advanced DSP (soundfield management) to get excellent bass across multiple seats. This is science. This is science in practice. This is science that doesn’t uglify your room to create great satisfaction.