Did Amir Change Your Mind About Anything?

@ossicle2brain 

And just to repeat, Amir has made me realize how little measurements actually matter. 

So you are saying that you learn nothing from measurements of these two speakers?

Imagine if this were a watch forum and someone went to extreme lengths showing you how your brand of watch is way overpriced for what it does and that a cheaper one is much more accurate and he had the graphs to prove it!

Toss in some sycophants posting links to reviews of watches, ridiculing what they had to say about them and a few straddling the fence playing both sides against the middle.

This thread has sucked the joy out of listening for listenings sake which, I think, was the purpose of it, or it was highjacked for that purpose. This is beyond silly. No wonder many online reviewers and the zines that use them no longer take comments.

Some reviewers have even taken hiatus for the constant abuse they get, like the base of a political party that harasses and threatens the livelihoods of those who oppose them. It’s not that far a thing to say we’re now burning audio witches.

All the best,
Nonoise

"So you are saying that you learn nothing from measurements of these two speakers?"

Yeah they have different frequency response charts by your methods.

I would avoid looking at that before listening so I know I don’t have a bias.

And flat FR is sometimes boring.

Virtually useless and perhaps harmful for deciding which sounds better.

Maybe I like resonances at those fregs.

@kevn here is my take on true narcissism; “I don’t know a topic, therefore no one knows this topic”.

there is very little a physics perspective that is not known about EMI, close to 0. You may not know much about it, per your own admission, but physicists do, and asserting that we need to learn more to understand the interactions because you don’t, but others do, is the very definition of narcissism.

amir_asr

You have not told us about any listening tests you have passed ...I have most definitely pass double blind tests of high-res vs CD ... This made it impossible to tell the files by analyzing them using computer software. I passed this test ... I not only passed this test, but I created a video on how I managed to do that ... I show results of other difficult double blind tests I have passed ... here is another public test ... I managed to pass it while no audiophile dared to even try ...So please don’t imply you can pass such tests and I can’t ...

This shows a complete misunderstanding as to the nature of double-blind testing in audio, such as ABX testing. Such tests are not designed to test the listener - that’s the role of an audiologist. The listener isn’t under test at all. What’s being tested is whether two signals can be distinguished under the conditions of the test. That’s why the best blind test programs include multiple listeners and multiple trials.

Some might argue that, if a specific listener claims to expect a difference between, say, a hi-res and lo-res signal, that an ABX test with him is "testing the listener." But that’s mistaken. Such a test could only reveal whether that listener could distinguish a difference under the conditions of the test. Again, this why is why multiple tests yield more useful information.

It’s rather odd that Amir is so preoccupied with conducting measurements that he sometimes doesn’t bother to listen to the devices he tests, and yet on the other hand issues such proclamations about the tests he’s claimed to have "passed."

As an aside, conducting a proper audio double-blind test is tricky business. I've seen it done and it's not as easy as it looks. When they’re well conducted, I’ve found that many differences become harder to distinguish than might be expected. When they are improperly conducted, such a test has no advantage over a sighted test and can yield misleading results.