Who from The Band could play in LZ? Robbie R. could and so could Garth.
Garth -- OK -- he can play just about anything. I love The Band and I'm not a Zep fanatic by any means but RR? Maybe you're joking?
"The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down".
I am very fortunate in having heard this amazing song performed live by The Band on their tour in support of the s/t "brown" album. The only other live music experience I’ve had that equals it was hearing Little Village perform John Hiatt’s "Lipstick Traces" on a soundstage in Burbank in ’92. The Little Village album was not so hot, but they sure were!
The Beatles? Saw them in ’65. Hendrix? Saw him in ’68 and ’69. Cream? Saw them in ’67 and ’68. The Who? Saw them in ’68 and ’69. Who else ya wanna name? Sorry, hearing The Band live spoiled me for just about EVERYONE else. Not Iris DeMent, whom I just saw this past Thursday. Stunningly great!
Here’s J.R. Robertson, Eric Levon Helm, and some other guy talking about the song and its’ creation:
https://youtu.be/nVYBW_zCvOg?t=1
No joke at all. Garth would provide instrumental texture and density to the LZ palette. It's a role that JPJ did for them in the studio. The original Jimmy Page concept for LZ was as a twin guitar band with Terry Reid as the vocalist, co-lead guitarist. RR can't sing, but he rock a Strat or Les Paul with the best of them. As an added bonus, LZ's lyrics would have been upgraded. |
@onhwy61 ”John Bonham couldn’t play in The Band. No way.” “Plant, it’s a few decades early in his development.” |
I know John Bonham only from my very limited exposure to his playing on Led Zeppelin albums. I heard their debut when it came out, and found it unintentionally and almost hysterically funny, like the bar band in the movie Ghost World: Blues Hammer. The name is quite apropos, as that fake-Blues band heavy-handedly bludgeons the music to death, employing no restraint or subtlety what-so-ever. As did, imo, Led Zeppelin. And in anticipation of the possible reaction to this statement by some readers: no, I am not saying this thinking it makes me sound cool (or whatever). But by the time Led Zeppelin I came out, I was already listening to the Blues Levon Helm had grown up listening to and then playing in The Hawks, that of it’s originators: Muddy Waters, Howlin’ Wolf, Big Joe Turner, Little Walter, Sonny Boy Williamson, Robert Johnson, Freddie and Albert King, Slim Harpo, Roy Brown, Wynonie Harris, Jimmy Reed, etc. As well as the American bands that had been putting out albums of Chicago-style Blues for several years before LZ showed up: The Paul Butterfield Blues Band---whose black rhythm section Paul hired away from Howlin’ Wolf---and Charlie Musselwhite primarily. That may not be enough to determine if Bonham could have played in The Band, but imo his bass drum technique alone would have disqualified him. Like many Rock drummers, Bonham "buried the beater." That’s what drummers call punching the felt beater of the bass drum pedal into the batter head and leaving it there, rather than letting the beater rebound off the head, which is called "feathering." Burying the beater causes the forward momentum of the music to stop and start on every down beat (the 1 and 3 in 4/4 time). I can’t get past that in the music of LZ. Levon Helm employed feathering (as do jazz drummers), and other subtle aspects of the approach to playing the drumset (Buddy Rich "approved" of Levon’s playing 😉). Bonham may have had his strengths, but subtlety was not amongst them. Levon was also very sparing and selective in his use of the crash cymbal, a rarity in Rock music. Most Rock drummers tend to crash at the end of every measure (4 beats in 4/4 time), for no musical reason. Such cymbal crashes chop the music into separate little sections, rather than one forward-moving train. Bonham was very guilty of that musical "crime". He didn’t know which notes to leave out, overplaying---again, very common amongst the drummers in Rock bands. The Band were not a Rock band, they were a Rock ’n’ Roll band. To hear how "sluggish" Bohham’s drumming is, listen to his opening in the LZ song "Rock ’n’ Roll", and compare it to the "crisp" drumming of Earl Palmer on Little Richard’s "Keep A-Knockin’", which is from where Bonham "borrowed" his part. |
@bdp24 those songs I mentioned beg to differ. |