One of the things I should have made more clear in this thread was that these speakers were designed to be close to the wall and not toed in, unlike most others.
From the manual: "We have found that placing the speakers from 3” (75mm) up to 20” (500mm) from the wall results in the best bass power and tightness. Please experiment but make sure that the speakers have had at least 500 hours on them before making your final decision".
I have tried moving them away only to loose bass. The bass response is great right now and I have taken the diffraction wood panels off the front of some of the treatments which has helped. These speakers worked great when I had to share the living room and was not able to have a pair that needed to be pulled far from the walls to sound the best.
I think that since i have a dedicated room now, that It may just be time for different speakers.