ZYX "House" Sound


I am searching for a different sound in my system. I'm currently using the Shelter 901 MkIII and the Koetsu Rosewood Signature. I consider both to be on the warm side of neutral. I'd like to find a very good quality cartridge that is a bit more neutral. I don't want "clinical". I cannot cope with cymbals that sound like white noise with emphasis on the upper octaves. System is: MS DD-40 (2 tables), SUT using the Cimemag 1254 Tranny, Paragon Model E tube preamp (used as a phono pre) and Musical Surroundings Nova phono pre, Levinson control amp, Bryston 2.5B cubed power amp, Revel bookshelf speakers and HSU sub.

I've been seriously considering ZYX for my next cartridge. There are reviews of the top and bottom of the line ZYX cartridges, but little in between. I've contacted Mehran at Sorasound. Based on my budget, he suggested the Ultimate (Exceed) 4D or the Ultimate (Exceed) Omega.

Not many reviews for these mid-tier cartridges. Is anyone familiar with the sound of these cartridges? Does ZYX have a "house" sound? I'm not concerned by the naming confusion nor any of the other negative comments I've read. They're not constructive. I really want to understand where the ZYX cartridges fit in the cool to warm spectrum. There may be other brands to look at, and I'm doing that. This post is about the ZYX sound.

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Dear @kevemaher  : Good. In the other side and in this analog forum could be that medium and major knowledge level audiophiles are oriented for subjectivity opinions, not all maybe the 80% and in other internet forums even more.

 

Through my audio life I learned that to really enjoy at maxium my home system MUSIC experiences we  need  and is a mut rto have a good equilibrium between objectivity and subjectivity and through this equilibrium and step by step is how I  " manufactured " till today my room/system.

I know and is true that everything in audio can measures even if some special audio characterisrtic no one  intented to measure. Subjectivity could be measured too but way way complex to even intent it.

I belive in some of the system spec characteristics and as you know those system links ( almost any in the system chain. ) can or could be improved by each one of us and I did it with my system and I understand you did it and do it with yours.

There is no magic in audio and our target should be to achieve that equilibrium between objectivity/subjectivity to really enjoy our home audio experiences.

 

R.

I, too would be interested in more discussion of the ZYX house sound and especially any comparison to other brands. I have read a user of an Ultimate Omega describe it as 'jarring' compared to his Koetsu Urushi. 

Having owned ZYX airy 3, Ultimate 1000, and Ultimate Omega, I can subscribe to the notion that there is a house sound to the brand: neutral and even handed. However, I also have an Audio Tekne and a Transfiguration Proteus, and I would say that these two cartridges exhibit the same sonic characteristics as Ultimate Omega, with different levels of resolution and dynamics. I assume that Koetsu and Miyajima would be on the warm side of ZYX while lower level Lyras' would be on the 'lean' side. 

But even within the ZYX range that is the 'normal' Ultimate, and now the Exceed range, and in the US the Universe range. How does the old Universe ii, say, compare to the Ultimate Omega? How does the TOTL Ultimate ( or Exceed ) Astro compare to the Universe Optimal? Two different house sounds or ......? 

Looking forward to answers.

 

Thought I would pick this up as having recently purchased the ZYX Ultimate Exceed Omega and running it in, and believe  me if you doubt break in process is real this will make you a believer, I would say for me, in my system, the Omega is a goldilocks performer

 Lean, warm whatever, the cartridge has presence. Bass is there, voices to die for. Best "they are here" heard in my system to date and I've been chasing this just like most of you. ET2 arm and as to resonances non existence. My previous experience is somewhat limited, Fuuga, Airtight Supreme, Krell 100 ( Miyabi). Will be checking out the Allnic Amber to compare once Brian Walsh makes it by next month to set up a new Kuzma arm. JMO of course.

@dentdog I too am familiar with the impact of the Break In Process on both Phonostages and Cartridges.

I find a 100 Hours is where the magic happens, and for a period following this, there is a final structuring to the sonic being produced.

No matter what is said by those that don't endorse the notion, there is a optimisation for the properties of certain components/materials used for an interface, resulting with a Sweet Spot that reveals itself.

Ignore the comments on the DD40.  Its a wonderful table/arm and sounds great using a Monster Sigma Genesis 2000 and other cartridges.  Denon 103R too but the cartridge lacks detail no matter what combo i tried it on.  Its a valued player in my table / cartridge collection and can keep up with more expensive tables.  my experience its the setup and matching, including the cable.  YMMV.