Bacch Dsp, True stereo?


The latest gimmick seems to be eliminating cross talk as a way to achieve true stereo.

Seems very expensive and works with any speaker.

Another layer of complexity.

Anyone have an opinion on this new fad? Seems a bit neurotic to me

emergingsoul

Wait a second, has anyone in the Audiogon forums actually heard BACCH, or is this just repeating things said on the Internet? Not being snarky, I’m serious.

Yes, I’ve heard it. I bought "BAACH4Mac", the lowest price version, for under $1,000 USD. You can spend over $30K for the most expensive versions, with several price points in between. The cheapest version does not have the most advanced filters, nor does it include a microphone for acoustic measurements or a web cam for head-tracking. Software only, for MacOS only.

This is not a gimmick, it really does produce remarkable effects. For example, in one of the first tracks I heard, the apparent position of a trombone player moved from approximately my left speaker to a point around 7 feet to the left, placing it outside my living room walls and onto the front porch. Uncanny. However, I don’t get that dramatic effect with most recordings. And you may not get it with all loudspeakers. Mine are hybrid electrostatic speakers that are rather tightly focused on the listener’s sweet spot.

IMO this is a potentially game-changing technology, but years after first release,  it still isn’t productized to the point it is ready for prime time (unless it’s been greatly improved since I bought it). For most users, the installation and set-up process might take an hour or more, with a lot of telephone support and remote access by the vendor. The UI is ugly and complicated. And again, at least in this lowest-price version, you don’t get the most dramatic effects on all (or even most) recordings. I kept thinking something about my setup was wrong, so I kept monkeying with it until I gave up and went back to conventional stereo. I may revisit it soon, after having made other upgrades to my system.

I’d be interested to hear if anyone has auditioned and can comment on both BAACH4Mac and Apple’s spatial audio technology.

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More than half people had no idea of basic acoustic .... The concept above of "envelopment" or named " listener envelopment" Which is the experience resulting from the relation between the sound sources apparent dimensions and the listener position and envelopment , ASW and LV abbreviated, can be mechanically created in a small room and this without any  DSP but with  some timbre modifications and no comparable perfection as with the BACCH filters...

I did it in my small room then i know it ...

Then when i read about the BACCH i know instantly how and why this will be a revolution in audio...

Knowing basic acoustic by experiments is better and a real knowledge, buying many dac and many amplifiers and speakers because of hype and a big wallet is NOT KNOWLEDGE...There is no other dsp to compare the BACCH filters with... Reading what Choueiri explained well, if you had basic acoustic knowledge is ENOUGH to understand why it is not a marketing gimmick...

 

 

 
 

 

 

Hi,

I heard it at Axpona and I thought it was excellent sounding. It had a 3D effect. I have ordered one and we will set it up in the next two weeks. I have a reference listening room and we use this room to test lots of different brands. I do not represent this manufacture but I am in the audio industry. I find this manufacturer very interesting and I believe the designer has a very solid reputation.

Cheers and I will give my honest opinion after it has been set up.

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