Bookshelf Speakers with the decent bass

Zd the only one putting words in you mouth is audioiconnection. Again when you skewered roxy for his suggestion of the clue and said they are clueless you are speaking in absolutes. You go on to say that it is not that hard to get anyone to say anything about anything. How do you know thats what they are doing? What proof do you have of this? Why is your opinion passed of as fact on this? Further moore who the f#$# are you to say they are clueless if they like them? Roxy did not tell him to go out and buy the speaker he said people like them and maplegrove did not tell the op to go out and buy the actives he told the op to listen to some.

Then you go on to say there is no guarantee they will like actives....well no shit sherlock thats why its called a suggestion. There is no gaurantee the op will like anything thats been suggested including vandersteens thats why nobody here said run out and purchase this or that. Also I'm puzzled as to why you use sales of vandies as a baseline for customer satisfaction. Are you saying everyone who bought vandersteens kept them? Again how do you know this where do you get these facts? Bose has huge sales numbers as well so are we now to assume based on your logic they are in the same league? Adcom was the highest selling amp of all time too does that mean everyone the bought one still owns an adcom? Hell no.

And speaking of specs and measurements Johnny your telling us zd was using ja measurements of the clue to base hIs assertion that anyone who suggests them are clueless? So now we are back to zd's pet peeve which is blindly assuming how something will sound based on numbers vs actually listening? We should all buy are speakers and make recommendations now based on Johns measurements?

Again this sounds to me like speaking in absolutes. Idk maybe I'm wrong.

((Maple. Do you tell people what they will like too))

When I set up the Vandies text book correct in most rooms its so different compared to a mini box and pretty hard to resist for most folks.
All i am stating is the facts,a genuine observation based on real life experience which you cant seem to handle. Hey they might not be your cupa, but many compare them using live recordings and studio and get it more then do not.
Best JohnnyR

(((Audioconnection , If you are going to chime in on Roxy54's recommendation of "the clue" being a clueless suggestion then give your own recommendation for the speaker the op should buy . You must have the "correct" answer with all that knowledge you have .
Maplegrovemusic))

Thank you. yes I agree, FYI its the 9th post from the top
Best JohnnyR

Wow , You are a dealer huh ? It makes you a living , keeps you alive with food and shelter . Defend until the end ? I now see why you wanted to defend zd since he exclusively recommends Vandersteen . Are you an Ayre dealer as well . You seem like the prototype dealer . Every post you enter here should state you are a dealer so we can skip over your biased input .

I agree johnny when and only when they are set up to properly vandersteens sound great but off axis not so much. Kinda like the clues they need to be set up properly or they won't measure well either.

((Chrshanl37 I agree johnny when and only when they are set up to properly Vandersteens sound great but off axis not so much.))
What you can try to improve off axis response is if in a rectangle room, is much wider then normal spacing, try sitting within the triangle, speakers closer to the side walls with just a bit of toe in and nail the first reflection with diffusion as well as secondary reflection on the opposing wall.
Best JohnnyR
Vandersteen dealer