Bacch Dsp, True stereo?


The latest gimmick seems to be eliminating cross talk as a way to achieve true stereo.

Seems very expensive and works with any speaker.

Another layer of complexity.

Anyone have an opinion on this new fad? Seems a bit neurotic to me

emergingsoul

@hifidream

I agree that highly directional speakers do certainly help with stereo imaging, but I couldn’t get them to do much in terms of crosstalk elimination. I’m using horn speakers right now in conjunction with crosstalk reduction and I’m getting very good results. I heard some big horns at this summer’s Pacific Audiofest that had the best stereo separation of anything at the show in my opinion. Others mentioned it too. Besides inter-aural crosstalk, early side wall reflections can seriously degrade the stereo presentation too, and it is truly amazing how good a standard 2 speaker system without crosstalk reduction can be at producing a wide, spacious sound field with clear separation between instruments when early reflections are properly addressed, either through directional speakers, room treatments, or a combination of both. With crosstalk reduction it can be even more amazing, but dealing with early reflections remains super important, otherwise the full benefits won’t come through. Horns or other directional speakers can make that easier. I’ve also found that the quality of the speakers and other components remains as important as ever. If the tonality is off or there is too much distortion, the sense of realistic space is severely compromised, although you can almost always still hear some benefit. Even when listening to my laptop speakers I can get some sense of spaciousness with crosstalk reduction that would otherwise not happen at all.

Bacch uses microphones in your ears to measure the room and your ears to get the best sound.

I didn't know about this. I wish there was a video giving a full scale view of what you need to do to install this thing.  For some reason they just don't wanna do this.

I have a basic dac streamer connected to a pre-amplifier which is connected to the amplifiers which is connected to the speakers.

Do I need to get a desktop computer integrated to use this thing? 

Bacch uses microphones in your ears to measure the room and your ears to get the best sound. I didn’t know about this.

You’re the only one here who doesn’t seem to get this extremely simple concept. Seriously, have you done any research on this system at all??? Or do you need a YouTube video to spoon feed you and show you how to do everything? At this point in the thread that you don’t know this system is calibrated once by using in-ear microphones is just inexplicable and utterly embarrassing for you. You keep trying to push this agenda that this is hard to set up when several people here who’ve actually bought and use it say it’s not bad at all. Yet you keep pushing this completely false narrative and seem completely incapable of absorbing any of the very pertinent information being shared with you by experienced users. There’s a problem here.

@emergingsoul 

If you go to this link you can see all the parts and how it interfaces into your system through pull down menus within the system diagram. 

https://www.theoretica.us/bacch4mac/

@asctim Yes I agree getting the room corrected is key. My current results are fantastic and eerily real but I think it can get even better with BACCH. My decision to use panel speakers is due to Dr. Choueiri’s research, lack of side reflections, highly directional, single wave / line source. I’m sure your set up sounds great!

Thanks,

Steve 

I'm not certain if it's appearing in the November or December issue of TAS, but Dr. Choueiri has graciously allowed us to publish a book chapter on spatial sound he wrote with the musician/filmmaker/performance artist Laurie Anderson. It provides a lot of extremely useful information about different aspects of spatiality, including crosstalk cancellation. Watch for it.

 

Andrew Quint

Senior writer - The Absolute Sound