Two questions to make you mad.


#1 Why is it that the worlds most sophisticated and accurate machine the (ASML) TWINSCAN NXE:3600D doesn’t use special AC or signal cables to make 3nm semiconductors. Audiophiles need special cables for accuracy?

#2 Why is it that you can always tell when a piano is playing live, or even an electric guitar is playing live 2 houses away directly into an amp through walls and windows?

In the 1960s Electro Voice announced that their speakers could reproduce exactly accurate sounds, many believed them.

We are fooling ourselves, our hobby is full of lies and we can’t even face facts.

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@bigtwin Your not ignorant at all, your note reminds me of the old saying, "your most important sexual organ is your brain". 

@wolf_garcia I have miked and gone direct, put guitar amps in caskets, put them on stage behind the vocals, put them on the side of stage as the string section, and mixed them with every mic ever made (good old SM 57 works great). But I don't know why there is such a difference between the sound of an amp and the sound of an amp on a recording.

A friend of mine went to an electronics store with Eddie Van Hallen he bought an expensive amp and literally took it apart in the parking lot and threw everything away except for a single tube he wanted.

To perceive a sound as meaningful the brain must interpret it , A.I. will be designed mathematically to interpret it as our brain does, not in the same manner and ways but designed to give results that will fool us...

Music is a meaningful sound which is way more than just linear Fourier acoustic maps because the brain dont work linearly and work in his own time domain but A. I. will emulate it... The problem is human creativity is expressive in an esthetical and spiritual sense , this will be trade for the easier indifferent and neutral creativity of the machine and humans will lose something...

Then we will used by conditioning to gave ourself to the machine...Nothing absolutely bad with that , but we will lose something and we will be in the obligation to compensate for this lost part of the soul in education ..

If not A. I. will cause as in medieval times an immuration of the soul....

I don’t see how AI will impact how we hear music?

@mahgister ....It...'They'....whatever....might mess with the lyrics in some fashion, for one....

"...'scuse me, while I eat this fly..."

Classical fiascos....Rap Country...Alt Choral....the mind would reel, the ears burn....

My friend designs on very sensitive sonar equipment and says that interconnects matter.

I think we need a new terms in our hobby for three different goals.  "Audiophile" is not a good word.  Once upon a time, maybe we could say it was someone who appreciates music reproduction enough to sit and listen, and the hobby that represents. Not sure we are still there. 

Kind of like the early computer days. "Hacker" was someone who dug into the OS and figured how it worked, made it better and learned.  I was a proud hacker in disassembling the BIOS and changing the CAS/RAS timing to run a Z80B in my Kaypro. I wrote a Greek character PROM to match a Diablo daisy wheel.  That was hacking. Then it became a bad word for people doing bad things to other peoples computers.  The term "cracker" never took off. We do have a problem with words being stolen. Female dog, Person in a happy mood, etc. Context seems to not matter, just the word. 

One term would be for the pure measurement objective only who thinks traditional static measurements are perfect  and everyone else is wrong. All DACs are the same. All amps the same as they are below the "scientific .1% level. Their pursuit is for some level of perfection  if it passes by our limited set of measurements, it must be right. And yes, ALL cables, analog and digital, are the same. 

The opposite far end are the ones with unlimited funds and who believe in magic if it costs enough. To them, any system not costing as much as a house is "not resolving enough" and science is wrong.  Somehow a power plug can unmask spatial details that were not recorded in the first place and believe only their hearing is 100% objective and if they hear it it must be real as they are immune to the placebo effect. 

Then the rest who just want the best musical experience we can afford. Objective measures are only one data point as we understand they are limited.  We also use our hearing. It is not objective, but it is what we think  and our experience is what matters.   Price is a matter of if it is worth it, some having  a higher threshold than others, not what our friends think or a justification for being right because you paid more. It's about if the music is enjoyable to us. Even if we fall for placebo effects. 

Three different goals. 

 

Computer Science comment:  AI is based on data sets making an average assumption based on history training.  Then newest technologies are "learning systems" in that good and bad guesses continually get logged to improve the data set.  By the current technology, it may mimic a population, but not an individual. I prefer Turner to Rembrandt, Picasso to Warhol. What would some AI engine think?   AI is a bad phrase. The earlier pre-press coined to be dramatic for headlines catch phrase" is "Expert System" and that is a far more accurate term.     If anyone thinks AI is super advanced, they should look into the effort Kodak did to determine which way was up in a digital photograph. Hilarious actually.