True high-end Speakers need a midrange


To be clear, I don’t mean expensive, I mean high performing.

I recently built a new center speaker for my home theater and as I was comparing/contrasting design alternatives between a variety of designs, everything from expensive DIY designs to Wilson, Legacy, ATC and Focal and others the thing that stood out the most was this:

  • You can’t get high output AND low distortion without a midrange driver.

I say this as a person who has had pretty good success with 2-way speakers and really admire 2-ways from Fritz and others, but when push came to shove, there was no way to make a 2-way with very high output AND low distortion AND excellent off-axis performance without a midrange driver.

You can push many tweeters down to 2kHz or even a tad below but it is very hard to find a tweeter that will do so with low distortion at high volume. On the other hand there are many 1" domes which will perform excellently when crossed over at 3 kHz or higher even when driven hard, things you don’t see from a frequency response plot, or really any measurements from Stereophile which never plots dynamic range charts. It’s not just about the frequency response and imaging, sometimes it is about doing all of that under pressure that matters.

Similar, complementary issues are true for the woofer in a 2-way design.  First, good mid-woofers with good frequency responses through 2-4kHz are expensive, but as you push the crossover up 7" drivers and larger have to beam, right in the middle of the midrange.  Instead of a wide open sound stage you can hear anywhere they restrict where you can sit.

In a large, full range speaker you can push your design for high output even further by going with a 5" midrange for instance.  Not quite as wide as the 4" counterparts but lots of power handling and plenty of overlap with the tweeter and woofers. 

erik_squires

Ohm Walsh 2-way very coherent endgamers for many with very high crossover point to what functions more like a supertweeter.

There have been a lot of 3-way designs over the years that I felt were not very coherent in many more modest size rooms but I do believe things have improved immensely in recent years with 3 ways. For example coaxial designs like KEF UniQ seem to solve the problem quite well. I’ve become a bigger KEF fan every time I hear the current line and especially when compared to others

 

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@ricevs ...and if you build it, they will come....(exactly How that would occur will be left to be explored in another 'discrete' forum.....)....

Sounds (no pun, no) like something I'd put into motion given a modest Lotto win, if only to break leases on demand and for hire.

I'd suggest baffles that would go a tad beyond the norm in rigidity and damping, so the cost involved would edge up a bit.  And bolting them down to the floor might be a good idea, and allow for a 'minimalist' look...the 2001s' monument, perhaps.

In that case....the obvious choice...

If you're going to challenge 'the Big Players'....go deep and Hail Mary the buggers.

MHO....I'll leave it to the cable crowd re the wires 'n ICs'.  ;)

 

So....when do we start? 😏

...hmmm..... ((4R+4B)x2 = F, L+R) + ((2R+2B)x2 = R, L+R) + ((1R+1B)x#= S, L+R +CC,F)...

= 15 Radians + 15 Beyma for the Ultimate AV Existential Array....

...Disaster Area level....*L*

 

"....why is the floor covered in plastic sheet?"

Because every dB Freak wants to 'hear 10' on the volume control....messy....

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned electrostatic solutions.....for 2 channel focused listening experiences, a pair of hybrid electrostatics (ex: ML Ethos) does IMHO a great job for a two way with 375Hz crossover. Seamless delivery of sound...