Big speakers, are they really the best way to get great sound?


Yesterday, I had the opportunity to listen to some very large speakers that are considered to be at, or close to, the pinnacle in speaker design and ability. Needless to say, the speakers retail in the mid to high $300k range. These speakers, and I will not be naming them, were sourced by about $800k of upstream gear. Room size was about thirty by twenty, maybe a little larger.
To say the the overall sound was BIG would be accurate, but also I noticed something else, that I typically hear with big speaker systems. Generally, the speakers were right on edge of overloading the room, depending on music, the dreaded bass boom could be heard. But, the whole presentation was greater in impact than most any smaller speaker system, yet it was almost unlistenable for the long term.

The question I asked myself, is do we really want this type of presentation in our home audio systems? The speakers threw a pretty large soundstage, but also made things sound somewhat larger than life. I also thought that this type of speaker is akin to the large box dynamic speakers of yesteryear. For example, a set of large horns from Altec Lansing or similar was reminiscent of this sound. Makes me believe that if one has a big room, a similar sound can be obtained from most any large speaker system and at a fraction of the price.

I listen in a very small room, and by necessity in the near field, yet I think the overall intimacy of this type of listening experience is better for me, your thoughts?

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@daveyf wrote:

The point you seem to be making is that a big speaker can be made to work well in a small space.

It seems repeating myself is necessary to bring some clarity. Once again, I wrote:

... a large speaker system CAN work extremely well in a moderately sized listening room

You wrote:

I would not dispute this, but what it also means is that the big speaker is probably not working to its fullest in said space due to size limitations.

In a small listening space, no - likely not.

What you say about a small speaker in a large space is not always true either. IME, a small speaker can be made to work well in a large space, but the job is also not easy.

And as I wrote previously:

fitting smaller speakers into larger listening spaces is usually problematic, unless sitting relatively nearfield and having the mains subs augmented and preferable high-passed

Maybe we just disagree on the reasons why or how smaller speaker can be made to work well in larger listening spaces.

@mijostyn wrote:

I live with 8 foot tall electrostatics and you would be surprised. With enough power (200 watts/ch) and crossed out at 100 Hx 48 dB/oct the little suckers (LS3 5As) will punch it out louder than anybody needs.

With 200W/ch you’d be hard pressed to reach 100dB peaks at the LP with those "little suckers," and that’s unloading all the available power into them with thermal compression at full display, voice coil lacquer smelling and headroom MIA. Sorry, no - you’re not speaking for everybody here. Granted, 100dB’s is loud, but I’m talking peaks, effortlessly, and 100dB’s can be easily reached during crescendos of classical music if an approximation of realistic playback levels is attempted.

It’s about how those peaks are reproduced, not that they’re merely (i.e.: just barely) reached. 90 dB peaks, another matter, and that’s still fairly loud, but then you wouldn’t speak for the needs of everybody either.

Look, people: you can’t have your cake and eat it too with small, low efficiency speakers - there’s no bending the rules of physics here. That’s not saying small speakers can’t be a great addition to a setup, and large speakers can have their own limitations as well. Whatever floats your boat.

@mihorn wrote:

I will compare to any audio system in the world. Please you show me any audio system’s live recording video sounds better than mine. Alex/Wavetouch audio

So, you're the sole judge of that - based on a video? 

I will compare to any audio system in the world. Please you show me any audio system’s live recording video sounds better than mine. Alex/Wavetouch audio

Like phusis stated above, based on a video?? Even in a ’live room experience’, you cannot truly compare two complete systems and come up with an absolute as there are so many variables, starting with different rooms, listener preferences, gear, cabling, power distribution, climate and on and on.

The best one can say is that system A meets your own preferences better than system B on a given day. Not that it is better than ’any audio system in the world’!

In my OP, I referenced a system that was not only far far more expensive than the system that you tout, but also was probably able to easily out do your system in several areas. Would this make this system a ’world beater’...I think not. As I mentioned, it was not one that I personally could see myself living with for the long term, and yet I presume there were plenty of folks at this demo that day, that absolutely could~

@mihorn wrote:  I will compare to any audio system in the world. Please you show me any audio system’s live recording video sounds better than mine. Alex/Wavetouch audio

phusis   So, you're the sole judge of that - based on a video? 

This is a plan. You choose a live recording video from online. Then I'll upload my system's live recording of same music. One condition, the music is NOT an instrumental. The instrumental music is harder to judge. So, the music must have a singer.  Alex/Wavetouch

@mihorn ……

 

lol. You’re not helping your business by doing this YouTube comparison BS! Get a clue dude.