3-Dimensional Soundstage
I have appreciated a quite nice separation of instruments in my system's soundstage. I have read many times about people experiencing depth in their music and have never appreciated this. I was talking to an audiophile friend this week about it and he brought up the fact that recorded music is a mix of tracks and how could there be any natural depth in this? If there was a live recording then yes, it is understandable, but from all studio music that is engineered and mixed, where would we get depth? Are the engineers incorporating delays to create depth?
Well said and welcome ... 😊
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Yesterday I was listening to Billie Jean and even though this (Thriller) was one of the first CDs I got with my first CD player, I was suprised when yesterday I heard how 3D this actually is with the latest mods. Michael sings to the center and his little vocal "fills" seem to have been done in a different sound booth and are typically about 1-2 feet to the side and in front of the main vocal line, but can pop up anywhere across the room. Until you hear such soundstage/imaging, you just don't know what's possible. |
I’ve been enjoying the unnatural sound (just like everybody here) for 4 decades. Now I have a natural sound system and I don’t think about upgrade anymore and I am enjoying more music.It is perfectly fine you enjoy the unnatural sound (immersive 3-d, magical sounds, etc). We didn’t have any other options before anyway. Now there is another option which is recreation of the original music. I just want to point out to new comers to audio that they need to know what they are facing (natural sound and audiophile sound). Also, general public will understand better what audiophiles are. Some people call us audio-fools (or nuts) because they think audiophiles pay so much for bad sounds (to their ears). Alex/WTA |
@mihorn I think you may have got the "unnatural" mixed up... Go to a great acoustic hall, book the golden seat (in advance) and watch a wind ensemble or a string quartet, i.e. no punk rocker screaming into PA crap equipment inside a bar. When you compare the former event to stereo vs multichannel object based audio, you will note that it sounds a whole freaking lot like object based audio and nothing like stereo. For the first 5 minutes of my relatively recent attendance at such an event, i was constantly looking behind me because it sounded like there were diffuse effects all around and active from back surrounds and back heights. How the sound materializes from the instruments and are perceived by the ears thereafter (like flowers blooming and closing perhaps inside a 3D dome of space), it sounds nothing like channel based stereo. So, perhaps, stereo is very unnatural! But, i suppose we never had a choice until around 2014. |
We must not confuse an unnatural timbre sound ( from many speakers right out of the box, milhorn is right here ) and the spatial information encoded in the recorded acoustics and destructed by crosstalk ...Choueiri BACCH filters is not multichannels , this is for sure another interesting debate ... But BACCH filters will also improve timbre perception and not only the spatial qualities, provided the right set of measures for ears and head are well done and provided that the room acoustics is optimal .... Immersiveness or the way the listener envelopment (LV) is realized without being detrimental to the sound source width (ASW) is another very important characteristic of the sound experience as much as imaging and soundstage ... Then redesigning speakers as milhorn did , or creating a multichannel system, so good it could be, is not enough ...I am with Dr. Choueiri articles about that ... Timbre experience ask for more deep acoustical controls ....Choueri explain it well ... I must specify that this is only my opinion ... I dont own the BACCH filters nor a multichannel system nor the Milhorn speakers ...
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