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Room Correction Required

I have to part with my Supernait 3. I have enjoyed it as much as possible in a room where I have a 7bB at 80hz hole at my listening position. It starts at about 125hz, bottoms out at 80hz, comes back up around 60hz before dropping into a black hole at 50hz. On top of that I have a serious peak (12dB) at 40-30hz. It makes for an odd musical experience. Obviously this is not the fault of the Naim. My previous unit did the same thing but I was wishing that the Naim would power through it. I also replaced my speakers in the same vain hope. Wishing vs. science..... oops. When I get out of the null zone the tonality is great but I can't be seated that far out of the space without looking really dumb or antisocial. Also the sound stage is wrecked when I get out there.

I have lived in this home for a year and a half. The issue was worse before I pivoted the room arrangement 90 degrees. My partner is an artist and designer, so I have blown all my rearranging capitol for the next 10 years (her words not mine). We looked at adding room treatments and perused the currently available options which look like church or hospital decor; SO NOT HAPPENING (her words again but I have to agree- yuck).

As a result, I need an integrated with room correction. Yes, I'm sticking with an integrated because I want a minimal gear set.

-TT via Gold Note PH-10/PSU10, outputs either balanced or single end.
-Prefer built in streaming to lose another couple boxes but it's not a deal killer. Current DAC outputs balanced or single end.
-Powering MA Silver 500 7G, not looking to change these.
-Single Revel B112v2 Subwoofer (not currently in use as the 500's are already peaking in the same range)
-TV, currently input optical to the DAC.

The top contenders are:
Anthem STR (no streaming)
NAD M33
Lyngdorf TDAI 1120 (the 3400 is not budget friendly).
Yamaha RN-2000a

So if anyone has experience with these units I'd like to hear about it. Also, I know it's going to happen and god bless you all; someone is going to tell to reposition my speakers (been done), stuff the ports (been done) get room treatments (ummmmmm nope?) and buy Luxman, Sudgen or something else because of __________ (fill in the blank). That's fine and I appreciate the advise but I don't see any of that happening in this room anytime soon under the current design driven regimen I live under.

Thank you all for taking a look!

mitchellcp
mitchellcp OP
86 posts
 

Do you have Roon? You can do room correction with Roon  by just acquiring a microphone to measure and using Room Eq Wizard freeware. I just did it with one of my rooms with excellent results. One room down, 3 to go.
 

I have Roon but it doesn’t help with the turntable

mitchellcp OP
86 posts
 

I haven’t seen a used 3400 for under 7000 in months

mitchellcp OP
86 posts
 

I see quite a few 3400’s in Europe for reasonable money but the are all from sites I don’t know and advertised in languages I don’t speak. All of that is a bit daunting.

rc22
133 posts
 

Please do keep your ear to the ground for a used 3400 or a 2170.

I owned a Lyngdorf 2170 for 6 years and it is was fantastic. About 18 months ago I purchased a 3400 from a guy after he let me audition it in my room for about a week. How few 3400’s come up for sale is saying something positive, I think.

I think I saw the 7K one like you did. Yikes. $4500 might be a reasonable target for a very clean unit, loaded. I say might, because I coulda sworn I saw that the 3400’s MSRP was increased earlier this year. However, I recently saw something online that made me question that. I didn’t care enough to sort it out. Earlier this year I saw one for $4K but don’t recall if it was fully loaded.

I enjoy interacting with the 3400 over the 2170. The 1120 offers the same or possibly a better experience as it is a newer design and perhaps they made improvements.  I don’t know.  The diisplay is easier to see, remote does not require it be pointed at the amp.  The Lyngdorf integrateds are all pretty much powered dacs with room correction.  The newer models have a much more powerful digital engine with leads to better dac performance and quite possibly better room correction.  There’s a trim function(tone controls on steroids) that allows you to select a specific LF and HF Hz and then boost it or cut it by up to 12bd (I think it’s 12db—short of going into my room to check that for accuracy). The Lyngdorf app that allows you to create custom curves (which I’ve not done), control the volume and power on the unit from anywhere in the house and set up a sub or pair of subs. Your sub is not in use currently, but the built in X-O’s give you control like you wouldn’t believe. It also streams, but I’ve not tried that as I’m utterly thrilled with my dedicated streamer.

Now, onto the 1120. You have a dedicated dac now. Is that correct? And you are ok with a unit that does not stream.  You could install an 1120 that does it all in one box. Add a stereo amp of your choosing and you have a box-count of two. Finally, I know a dealer who carries Naim and Lyngdorf. He told me once that he drove Wilson Sabina X’s with an 1120 in a room full of customers (he does a vinyl nite) and they got along like a house on fire. His expression. He Loves loves the Nait 3. But also loves the 1120 and the latter sells like hot-cakes.

very best of luck

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sunshdw
262 posts
 

I have the STR Stack and have been really happy with it. The ARC stuff is very cool and can make a difference, but it's not going to help your 80hz problem. That's a placement or room treatment issue and I know that's a tough one for you. So ARC will make things sound better but not exactly what you're dealing with.

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