Have we lost civility and respect on Audio forums?

If you feel insulted when faced with objective reality that’s your baggage. What is laughable is that you would whine about being insulted while calling me delusional in the same post. I don’t really care but the irony is amusing. 

Again, what's with the insinuation? Is it because you didn't understand what I wrote? The use of "obviously delusional claims" was a paraphrasing of your outlandish examples of what you say members claim and your conflating that with what they say they're hearing. The two are not anywhere near the same.

It was not calling you delusional. One (yours) is made up and the other (members hearing acuity) is based in reality.

You're not as clever as you think you are. That line from the Princess Bride comes to mind....whatever.

All the best,
Nonoise

“Again, what’s with the insinuation?”

There was no insinuation. It was pretty direct. If you feel insulted by assertions of fact that is your problem.

“Is it because you didn’t understand what I wrote?”

I understood what you wrote.

“The use of "obviously delusional claims" was a paraphrasing of your outlandish examples of what you say members claim and you’re conflating that with what they say they’re hearing. The two are not anywhere near the same.”

complete nonsense. I have never claimed or inferred that anyone here is delusional. So you weren’t “paraphrasing” anything I actually said. And when you accuse someone of making delusional claims it follows that the person making the claim is delusional.

“It was not calling you delusional. One (yours) is made up and the other (members hearing acuity) is based in reality.”

Im stating facts about human hearing. We can go back and forth all day on this. If you want to put it to an actual test I’m all for it.

“You’re not as clever as you think you are. That line from the Princess Bride comes to mind....whatever.”

it is once again ironic that you would try to make this about me on a thread lamenting civility. I’d be more than happy to put this “difference of opinion” to an actual test and we can record it and post it. Let’s make it about audio and let’s do more than just talk.

If you want to read something funny which illustrates how civility has deteriorated, look at the thread on ASR which comments on an excellent video by John Devore on how measurements, while they are important, are definitely not the be all and end all. The minions and the minion leader just about had an apoplexy.

I saw and enjoyed that video of John's. Far from what he called a rant. More like a call to reason.

All the best,
Nonoise

“ Dr. Choueiri the last genius in musical acoustic taught after many others psychoacoustics dont explain even the way we identify sound qualities... ( scottwheel will not contradict me about Choueiri he own the BACCH filters) 😊”

that’s not true at all. Edgar is one of the top researchers in spatial perception. He can tell you how in great detail how we identify sound qualities. He has conducted many controlled listening tests to clearly identify these things. Everything he would tell you is based in science, a lot of it his own research. I have had these conversations with him.