Have we lost civility and respect on Audio forums?

Now psychanalysing your motives and explaining your obsession for double blind test by the stress resulting from your discovery that we cannot trust our ears (which fact is not even wrong but which fact is not true either because we can and must learn how to train our ears) was perhaps an error i did trying to understand you ...

Perhaps you are only a techno- cultist objectivist in a crusade against deluded subjectivist audiophiles ... you are not the first one here ...

You never considered that "the faillibility" of human hearing was the reverse side of the coin , and reflect his creativity in perception of meanings ... We never hear sound as in physical waves, we hear meanings ...No perception exist without a concept behind it ... If not only meaningless chaos exist ...

@tomic601 I'm in the frozen Northern part of Flyoverlandia. A double blind bartender.... now that's some real scientific experimentation. Results are inconclusive, we'll try again tomorrow... Cheers!

Illegitimati non carborundum

“Every time I point you to that recording, you come back with evasion, side stepping something so simple as listening to another perspective that would help to educate yourself.”

Have you read Toole’s book or any of Olive’s blog posts or any of the actual peer reviewed ARSJ papers of their research that documents their actual testing?

I have. Do you think that this interview will demonstrate that Toole’s and Olive’s own accounts and published papers misrepresented their use of double blind tests? Simple question. If you do think that this interview will somehow prove that both Olive and Toole misrepresented their use of double blind protocols in their research I will give it a listen. If you don’t think demonstrates that they misrepresented their work I see no reason to read second hand accounts of their work after having read their first hand accounts and their actual research papers. 

Why did you not listened to me and spoke about your friend Edgar invention instead of this crusade about double blind test for all ?

You would have been useful for all here, even for me because i read about it in awe but dont own it , but instead you choose to be annoying ...

I think i get it : We are not worthy of this communication as a subjectivists deluded audiophile crowd ... 😁

So ridiculous is my thought i could not discover any other explanation for your opinionated obsession about double blind test for all ...

«Every man is a different mystery»-- Anonymus thinker

«Hell is only this : science at all cost and only science for all and for the greatest good»-- Anonymus reader of the novel Morwynn by John Cowper Powys

“Slippery and very unscientific…. a peer would answer the question….but i will help you…..

How are you going to decide your effort = SOTA ?”

The invite was for you or Calvin or anyone else to come over and listen for yourselves and decide for yourselves using whatever criteria any of you want to use. How is that “slippery?”

All this ranting about how I try to dictate how other people listen. I offer the most open ended unconditional audition of my personal system in my home and that is some how “slippery?”