Have we lost civility and respect on Audio forums?


I think we have.  I have seen many discussion on audio forums and how nasty they can become when you have people disagreeing. Seems like there are a lot more know it alls now. I been in 20 years and I can still learn.  But I also know I know quite a bit. Like cables can enhance the sound and higher end well designed gear can truly be ear candy special.  Is this just on audio forums or the internet period. 

calvinj

These discussions are fascinating for their complete predictability. Anytime it's about cables, fuses, switches, the discussion is basically the same. Somebody takes the "scientific" view that they make no difference while someone else believes regardless of measurements a difference can be heard. In this case, whatever substantive points there are to be made were made days ago. 
 

one would think that would be the end of it, but there is something fascinating about the entirely emotional response This debate produces. The arc of the discussion is always the same . it always ends up at I'm right because my equipment is more expensive than yours or I'm right because I have read more articles about this than you  and then there are composition length posts that say the same thing over and over. After about two rounds of this, it's entirely pointless because there's nothing new to be said, and no one is going to change their mind. What I find interesting is why does this topic produce such an entirely emotional response? That would be an interesting study. After all, no one Can impose their view on anyone else. As long as people want to buy modestly priced cables, there will be someone to sell them and as long as people want to buy extremely expensive cables, there will be someone to sell them too. so, really, there is nothing at stake in this debate, there are no more real points to be made and at this point it has become little more than the primary antagonists hurling personal insults at one another. I'm not complaining, it's entertaining in the same way that a professional wrestling match provides some entertainment, but I just find it interesting that an esoteric topic produces such raw anger. Personally, I think cables can make a difference because I think I have heard the difference. But the gentleman who says otherwise is entitled to his opinion. even though he may be a bit haughty In his presentation, I don't think he has insulted anybody's mother, but  some of the responses suggest he has crossed some sort of emotional line. I suppose this discussion does at least start to answer the original question post by the OP

interesting.

What I find interesting is why does this topic produce such an entirely emotional response? That would be an interesting study.
 
The answer to this is simple and evident...
 
There is a universal debate in our society all across earth about what is human and why post-human is inevitable and better ...
 
There is a techno cultist ideology permeating all societies fault lines ...
 
There is transhumanism opposing techno-cultutist religion for human version 2.0 and human version 1.0
 
Now in psycho-acoustic it is not double blind protocols which are a mere tool that define "sound musical quality" but it is the way evolution grounded the human life for his survival in an acoustic environment created by the gesturing and sound producing body of mankind which psycho-acoustics science try to understand using all different tools and methods between pure physics and neurophysiology and psychology, music, linguistic etc .....
 
The study of what is a human perception of sound qualities and the complex amount of information conveyed by the ears/brain/body are on the brink to be completely revolutionized , as all aspects of society begin to be , by A.I. revolution and the way the techno-cultism of corporations will define what is human , an obsolete animal and what tomorrow must be : the dawn of a new type of post human...
 
The battle is between those who refuse to reduce wisdom to mere knowledge and those who refuse to reduce human knowledge to mere science , and those who refuse to reduce science to mere technology and refuse to reduce all life to a mere technological tool ....Rationalism in his new form as in his past form is not reason ... Read Blaise Pascal and Goethe ...Two top scientists ...
 
In audio the same battle rage between subjective human and techno cultism in a way or in another reflecting the great battle ... This is why us ordinary people felt this debate as fundamental ev3en when manifested in a minor way in an audio forum about the question : what is sound quality and how to spoke about it ...

Music is art….there in lies the elusive meaning of a subjective response, communicated by objective devices.  If you have a response which allows that art to connect with you, then look no further.  

Art is a crafmanship born from necessity, but educated by the heart and mind ...Science is his offsping as is technology ...

The question is , who want a purely non human health care with the hypothesis that the human body is only a machine corporations will takes care ?

What is sound, the result of machine manipulation and computing or an artform expressive of human heart ?

For sure you are right and i thought the same...

But how to answer someone who dont trust his own heart and ears ? Only dials and double blind test protocol because and it is true, human hearing is prone to errors as it is prone to learnings ...

I prefer to fail and learn step by step ...It is called art ...

 

«Good sound is never  so much the perfect sound but  only the sound you created and produced by yourself as art form «--Anonymus musician 🎹

 

Music is art….there in lies the elusive meaning of a subjective response, communicated by objective devices. If you have a response which allows that art to connect with you, then look no further.

@Mahgister  

Some people always know the price, but not the value.

- Oscar Wilde

 

You know the use of ashes…so surely the reference is not lost.