Purchase on Audiogon arrived not as described


Hello,

I purchased a speaker pair through Audiogon that was listed as a 10/10 falwless pair. The speakers arrived damaged. They were not properly packed they were piano gloss finish and only packed woth a single layer of a very thin fabric cloth and one layer of bubble wrap in a flimsy single layer cardboard box single boxed.

The speakers arrived 11/30 (Thursday) and due to work I wasn't able to open the package until the night of 12/1 (Friday). I took photos of the unboxing process and I was surprised to see how little packaging therewas for a 50lb+ speaker pair with piano gloss finish. I was extremely careful unpacking the speakers and after unwrapping them I saw the damage. One speaker is busted on the bottom with a crack, the other speaker has 3 large strike marks and chips to the edge.

 

Within minutes of seeing the damage I contacted the seller. I have no way of knowing if the speakers were damaged in transit due to poor packaging or if the seller scammed me. I contacted the seller within minutes of seeing the damage and explained the situation. The seller immediately became defensive and said I had plenty of time to evaluate the speakers and that I probably didn't like them so I purposely damaged them. This offended me and was quite ridiculous. The speakers were at my house for one day and I didn't unbox them until I had the time the next day. The speakers have remained in the original packaging taking up space since this date.

 

I tried to communicate with the seller and the seller completely stopped answering messages through audiogon. I filed a dispute through Audiogon and linked the seller Audiogon's policy on selling and items not arriving in the condition listed. The staff at Audiogon managed to get ahold of the seller and told me the seller was not being reasonable. They advised me to file a PayPal claim. I filed my claim on 12/3 after spending two days communicating with the staff and trying to have them be a middleman to communicate between the seller and I. The seller never responded.

 

I have now been waiting for weeks on the dispute with paypal. The seller responded to the dispute and is fighting to keep my money. I offered to send the speakers back to the seller from the beginning and properly package them how I would have liked to receive them packed. I am worried about paypal being so slow and have heard stories of paypal siding with scammers before.

newtoaudio100

Did the seller say they had the original boxes? That would be sufficient if the original packing materials were used. If not, did they say how they intended to pack ship them? If they misrepresented, they are liable. If you didn't ask, shame on you. Good luck getting your money back. I like KEF speakers. Tremendous value. Not crazy about being made in China, but if they are already out there used, I guess it doesn't help the manufacturer. Mine were closeouts, so didn't impact new production.

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A zero feedback buyer purchasing from a zero feedback seller… unfortunate.

I’ve sold 2 items and neither buyer posted feedback. I provided complete contact information and photos of me boxing the components in their factory boxes and being double boxed at the shipper. Requests to them for feedback were ignored.

 Of having feedback or not getting feedback doesn’t mean a  seller is a problem.

We dont buy because there is a feedback but because we need what is proposed...

We put something for sale without having any feedback and we  will acept the buyer proposition of payment, even if the seller had no feedback, because we need to sell ...

Then accusing someone to be faulty because he bought from a seller he does know nothing about or because a seller sell to a person he does know nothing about, is meaningless ...

We can be cautious to the point of not buying or not selling. we must listen to our intuition , but thats all ...

We can be sorry for a person who suffer a damage ...Seller or buyer...But criticizing someone after an accident , even a faulty one, is of no help ...

@bslon 

@mahgister 

 

I wasn’t trying to insult the OP, on the contrary, people with little to no buy/sell experience on Audiogon are most likely to make a mistake. If rookies are on both sides of a deal, the odds are pretty good something will go awry. If an honest person with some experience is on one side of the transaction, they will typically shepherd the other party through the transaction.

 

In this instance, the seller is a scumbag for not honoring the premise of delivering a product in the stated condition.