Relationship between Ethernet Switch and SQ


This one will probably invite some withering mockery, but I will ask....

I only stream, and my streamer (Bryston BDP) is fed with an ethernet cable that runs back to my router.  Literally back to my router; there are enough output jacks on the router that I have a long run to the streamer and no ethernet switch in the chain (or the house system for that matter).   (There is an Eno filter right before the streamer).

I happen to OWN a nice LHY ethernet switch.  I am assuming that there is no reason to use it in this configuration, that is, assuming there are noisier switches, and less noisy switches, there is still no net benefit of adding any switch to this chain.  But maybe, just maybe, in the metaphysics of electrons that I do not understand, there is some reason why a nice switch prior to the streamer accomplishes something (in theory...I get that I can A/B test and try to fool myself whether I can hear a difference).  For the first person with a correct answer, I will mail a nice $600 switch to the address you specify! (JK)

mathiasmingus

 

 

You don’t know until you try it.  One thing is for sure, I will never listen to what some bratty IT kid has to say- thinks music is mp3 files.  

Especially one who is doing/saying everything he can to increase his Youtube revenue- I stopped the video when it got to the part plugging his sponsor. 

4 hour video about two guys listening to music seems pretty useless, however, I did watch the section "some sort of conclusion" where the guy on the left says that the LHY and PURA "audiophile switches" sounds worse than the baseline, based on the timing and rhythm, so there is that.

Some switches are worse, some switches are better...point is Freddy, differences can be perceived. I don’t fing know why such seemingly miniscule hardware changes in ethernet infrastructure are able to be perceived clearly during listening tests..

I’ve passed blind tests 20/20 times (statistically significant) when a couple of switches have been swapped on my rig. That’s where the Devry graduate IT guy’s "science" ends...i.e., when guys start passing blind tests enough times for it to be statistically significant.

Here’s my follow up to moving network switches around. Yesterday, I moved the SW-8 to the front end of the long ethernet cable run vs at the back end next to the Apple TV box. I saw no difference in the streaming TV picture with that move. I also connected the back channel ethernet cable and connected the EE8 (English Electric 8) to the LHY SW-8 switch. I am leaving my computer disconnected.

I hear an improvement in the sound with the EE8 carrying only the one connection in and the one connection out to my music server. It is a small improvement so if I had just the one switch I could live with that. I’m not saying two audio grade network switches are needed to isolate the stereo from everything else but it seems to help the switch from an audio perspective if it is not connected to several peripheral devices. And I’m sure the results will likely vary for different people and differing situations. I suspect disconnecting my computer from the network switch had the most influence.

To sum up, the EE8 originally had 4 outbound connections (Computer, Back channel, TV and Music Streamer) and one in from the router. And finally, I’d say that the EE8 sounds better to me than the SW-8. Again, not a big difference in sound.

The clarity and resolving power of my system now is remarkable. The downside to that is hearing in great detail flaws in recordings. For example, in just this past week I have come across three tracks with clipping microphones. The one crackled so badly it triggered anxiety in me. I played it back and confirmed it was the mic. First, the crackling is repeatable and second, the crackling noise was in the image on the sound stage- not directly at one speaker or the other as would be the case if a driver had distortion. It is a little unsettling hearing these clicks, pops, hum in cords and now even clipping mics. And this detail can be heard in streaming songs. So be careful what you wish for.

I also had my son with his young ears listen to a spinning CD, the same CD ripped to a FLAC on my music server and then the 44.1/16 streaming FLAC and finally, the high res version streaming. He didn’t know which was which. His conclusions mirrored my own. Spinning CD and local FLAC- no difference. Streaming 44.1/16- very close to the local FLAC. Hi res (96/24) sounded slightly better than the other three versions. My son said the bass was better, I agree but also noted a more airy soundstage. I want to say a bit more color or better, a richer sound overall. I’m using Roon/Rock with straight through PCM via USB to my DAC. My DAC double clocks the incoming USB. It also reclocks the AES coming in from my CD Transport.

Was thinking about upgrading my streamer but I’m inclined to stand on what I have. I think a great DAC goes a long way when complemented with a decent streamer and a good clean ethernet signal in. I would hope the higher end music servers can forgo the signal conditioning- ie. one could leave out audio grade network switches but if I were to spend big on a music streamer/server no point not having a good network switch.

Last comment is that both the SW-8 and the EE8 switches have internal Oven controlled clocks. Seems to make a difference and that is the most technical thing I know about these switches. Yes, I diagnosed the SW-8 with my multimeter and outside guidance- they told me what the voltages should be at various connection points and then I isolated the shorted circuit on my own. No big deal. The circuit boards are plug and play inside the SW-8. Very well built.

Good one.  I do have some graphs on my system page showing how effective spring isolation can be-mechanically.  Isolation improves the sound but I have no proof of that other than my own experience which has also been corroborated by others.  Being an ME, not a EE I don't dig too deep into electronics- beyond rebuilding crossovers and such.