What is meant exactly by the description 'more musical'?


Once in awhile, I hear the term 'this amp is more musical' for some amps. To describe sound, I know there is 'imaging' and 'sound stage'. What exactly is meant by 'more musical' when used to describe amp?

dman777

@atmasphere , in light of the SET & metal discussion that was going on, this is an interesting thread:

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/young-audiophile-metal-head-looking-to-level-up-speaker-choice#2643720

I also was wondering if in your opinion there was a trade off other than LF bandwidth when using high efficiency horn speakers? (I was thinking of some of the newer Klipsch monitors that MD carries.) Would there be a reason NOT to use this speaker with a moderately powered amp? Such as a tube amp doing 50 wpc in triode mode?

@asvjerry  , cueing up would be impossible!  I can only imagine how many LPs and cartridges would get destroyed!   Good thing I never made it back to vinyl after the digital revolution ended.  I can see issues with that as well . . . I think if the meter would audibly identify when it was set to DC mA and would also audibly identify what it was reading that I could set the bias on both sides by feel-a-vision,  but it would be frustrating doing the trial and error thing to find CDs in what is a large collection and stumbling around back there I'd probably be knocking the monitors off of their stands and putting a CD in the player might turn into damage to both the CD AND the player . . . anyway, enjoy the new vinyl and you take care as well.

The timbre has to be authentic and therefore pleasing. When just last night my new tonearm auditioned my system became much more musical. I don't care to use any other adjectives. Stayed up way to late.

I understand what you are saying; however I personally think I might describe that as accuracy more than musical. Not to protract this any further, but I am good with Webster’s definition (paraphrasing) of musical having to do with being pleasing and harmonious, and back in the ’70s and ’80s when the live venues we were going to were mostly coliseums or amphitheaters I really don’t remember the SQ being very good at all.

@immatthewj 

It wasn't: it wasn't musical. If the presentation is accurate, it will also be musical because it reproduces the music.

I also was wondering if in your opinion there was a trade off other than LF bandwidth when using high efficiency horn speakers? (I was thinking of some of the newer Klipsch monitors that MD carries.) Would there be a reason NOT to use this speaker with a moderately powered amp? Such as a tube amp doing 50 wpc in triode mode?

My speakers are 98dB which is at the low end of 'high efficiency' and they do not lack any resolution WRT any speaker I know of. So other than size, no, there's no tradeoff, rather lower efficiency speakers are the ones with tradeoffs, since they typically have problems with thermal compression if you try to push them to higher volumes.

To answer your question on that other thread,  if you have a 4 Watt SET, your speakers should be about 105-107dB in most rooms. That will allow you to not run the amp higher than about 50% of full power and often a lot less. But a lot depends on the room- if you have a smaller room you might get by just fine with speakers that are in the mid 90s.

It is good to talk on motivations and fundamentals of our audiophile hobby... Too many posts, was basically able to read the beginning of this nice thread.

I agree that subjectivity factor cannot be ignored, we may perceive things in different ways dispite that our basic perception organs are working similarly. It also depends in which mood are we currently. And one cannot ignore the music itself. There is music that makes one feel good but doesn't somebody else, and visa versa. What matters finally is which kind of feelings provokes in you certain audio equipment while auditioning certain music. 

In practical terms, I would say that one's audio equipment is "musical" if it allows to experience the best feelings that one is able to experience auditioning a particular piece of music. As in love we associate our feelings with a particular personality, we may associate a particular audio equipment (and a piece of music) with musicality. A musical equipment would maximize the positive emotions that one is able to experience while auditioning certain music. The musical equipment would make you feel completely satisfied.

And it was said a lot what technical features a musical system should have in absolute terms. Still, some of these "absolute" features may not be that universal but can rather can be subjective.