What is meant exactly by the description 'more musical'?


Once in awhile, I hear the term 'this amp is more musical' for some amps. To describe sound, I know there is 'imaging' and 'sound stage'. What exactly is meant by 'more musical' when used to describe amp?

dman777

As i see it now after my experiments and this correspond to what you said when you said that you want to see the musicians more than hear them,

iis now so well reproduced and translated by your system/room that now you "SEE" the instruments and musicians...

Actually, @mahgister , what I meant was that back in the days I was attending venues with live music, I was going out more because I wanted to see the band/performer perform than I was to hear them perform. It was always, "Hey, let’s go out this weekend and see so & so at such and such a club." I don’t go out to see/hear live music now-a-days, and when I go back to my little room and start flipping switches and selecting discs to listen to, it is all about what I hear, and what I hear does produce some visualizations, but to enhance the visuals I turn off the lights and take my glasses off and close my eyes. (I am actually at the point where closing one eye would work, but the eye that is gone is the only one I can squint without squinting the other at the same time, so therefore I close them both.)

@atmasphere

’Real music’ in that it sounds as real as the recording allows. So that might mean it sounds like you’re in a live amphitheater or it might sound like the musicians are in your room.

okay, I understand what you are saying; however I personally think I might describe that as accuracy more than musical. Not to protract this any further, but I am good with Webster’s definition (paraphrasing) of musical having to do with being pleasing and harmonious, and back in the ’70s and ’80s when the live venues we were going to were mostly coliseums or amphitheaters I really don’t remember the SQ being very good at all. I think it was all about the shared emotional group experience of SEEING a band we really thought was great enhanced by whatever misbehavior was going on at the same time.

Therefore, going back to Webster’s definition, for the live performance of (for example) Sammy Hagar opening for Boston at The CheckerDome in St. Louis (which was the very first concert I ever attended) to be musical, it would have to have been from the sound board perspective, not from the perspective of being in the audience.

 

@immatthewj ....*Whew*G*  'On the other note' ultimately is a preferable condition...;)  And cueing up would be...problematic...at best.

A ss amp person myself, I can appreciate good luck when rolling the tubes and hoping for luck to strike.  Since I read about that activity around here a lot....us ss types do some 'chip swaps' with sound cards and the like, so there is a variant of sorts.

Toured the pressing shop at Citizens' today...and actually bought an LP; 

The Pentangles' "Basket of ight"....guess I'll have to dust off the TT....

Anyhow....Y'all take care out there... 👍, J

@atmasphere , in light of the SET & metal discussion that was going on, this is an interesting thread:

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/young-audiophile-metal-head-looking-to-level-up-speaker-choice#2643720

I also was wondering if in your opinion there was a trade off other than LF bandwidth when using high efficiency horn speakers? (I was thinking of some of the newer Klipsch monitors that MD carries.) Would there be a reason NOT to use this speaker with a moderately powered amp? Such as a tube amp doing 50 wpc in triode mode?

@asvjerry  , cueing up would be impossible!  I can only imagine how many LPs and cartridges would get destroyed!   Good thing I never made it back to vinyl after the digital revolution ended.  I can see issues with that as well . . . I think if the meter would audibly identify when it was set to DC mA and would also audibly identify what it was reading that I could set the bias on both sides by feel-a-vision,  but it would be frustrating doing the trial and error thing to find CDs in what is a large collection and stumbling around back there I'd probably be knocking the monitors off of their stands and putting a CD in the player might turn into damage to both the CD AND the player . . . anyway, enjoy the new vinyl and you take care as well.

The timbre has to be authentic and therefore pleasing. When just last night my new tonearm auditioned my system became much more musical. I don't care to use any other adjectives. Stayed up way to late.