First off, thank you all for your input! It is nice to get your experiences, and for keeping it on topic. So many suggested the ARC 5SE, and I've added it to my list....but only if I can find a later model with the new board, and if I can verify it's serial number and production date. I've found one, but I'm waiting for a response from the seller.
I'm removing the Atma-Sphere MP3.3.....I know it is great product (no offense to anyone that owns one or to Ralph who appears to be a great guy), but I have to narrow this down somehow. Same for PS Audio, Modwright, Cary, Mola Mola, etc.
A dealer within driving distance owns an ARC 5SE (green board) and a Rogue RP9, and I'm going this week to hear them as he's moving them to his listening room so I can A/B them. The ARC is his in his personal collection of preamps (until he upgrades to a 6SE later this year), but the Rogue RP9 is for sale; you never know on the ARC since I got him to get it out of his house.
Another dealer within driving distance has the BAT VK-80 and Rogue RP-9, and some of the same speakers as the other dealer; I'm going to see him this week as well. He too said he could be in the 20% discount ballpark.
I found another dealer that is not as close, but my wife is good with the drive.....for a nice dinner; God love her. This dealer has a Rogue RP9 and the Backert Labs preamps; though not similar speakers. That drive will be next Saturday.
Milpai, thank you for reminding me to ask for discounts, I was able to get 22% off of one of my favorites, and the above mentioned 20%.
Rmdmoore, I agree that I want to keep the 6SN7 models on the list.....that would include the Don Sachs Revelation (Raven I've also read), and the Aric Audio Motherlode XL. The idea of small batch, point to point wiring, and ease of upgrade appeals to me as well.