Are there other people like me ? Amazed by their low cost system :)


Are there other people so much amazed by a relatively low cost system , they consider that is not a stopgap but instead a minimally satisfying ectasy... Each day i am amazed by my speakers and headphone... Am i deaf? Am i ignorant of high end ? Be assured that i know better system with higher acoustic experience and more refined exist ...

My point is an experienced and felt minimal threshold of acoustic qualities and well done and well realized and well manifested acoustic factors exist for me and are at play, for the price invested; so much so , i consider any upgrade way less tempting and if possible would be more, way more , costlier to appear as a real upgrade in quality... For sure an upgrade of part at low cost unbeknowst to me is possible but i must live with what i have for now but i feel no frustration at all. 😊

Am i the only one deluded in this way or enlightened in this way ? Pick your choice of word.... 😎

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You sound like a nice guy. But many of your posts sound like you have a beef with higher end gear. There is more to higher end gear than just speakers and room acoustics! And BTW, who is this Jay guy you are referring to?

In the opposite...

If i had the money, i will had a dedicated room as i had and as i have now ( a smaller one though this time ) and a system with no cost limit...

But i am not at all frustrated and i am in bliss with what i have...

Why ?

Because i know nevermind the cost of the system how to use acoustic, mechanical and electrical basic to reach the minimal acoustic satisfaction threshold, where i am now or if the money were unlimited i will target the maximal acoustical satisfaction threshold... These two thresholds had one thing in common : a rightfull experienced acoustic balance between all measurable acoustics factors...

 

Jay is the most known high end reviewer of audiogon... An honest person in my opinion ...

Then not knowing the difference between these two acoustic threshold of satisfaction i spoke about and not knowing the necessary SAME BASIC KNOWLEDGE which will be necessary to reach them , which is the same exact knowledge , you accused me, without any malicious intent for sure, but by ignorance of despising High end products... Which only a fool can do , because even if pricing is debatable about high end , we must pay for qualitative superior deesign, period... But qualitative high end design need the same basic knowledge as low cost system to be installed and implemented the right way to reach the maximum acoustical satisfaction threshold anyway...

Thank you for your kindness toward me... i love discussion though...😁😊

I am a retired old fool ...Then i had the time to learn since my retirement doing it full time...My dream was listening music with no sound frustration but not much money to invest only homemade solutions and time and a free room to use for experiments... I succeeded. And my post are here to motivate people creativity, nevermind their system price or quality level...If i could do it anyone can... But it is impossible without learning basic acoustics concepts...

Sometimes many years ago now i understood why i was frustrated: the reason is our journey is about studying and experimenting , not a race to purchase to forgot and erase our frustrations about our system actual acoustic state ...

I was right , i am no more frustrated... 😊

the minimal satisfaction acoustic threshold is not a stopgap by the way compared to the maximal one...

The reason is simple . The maximal threshold and the minimal one are an acoustically balanced experience between all factors in their own compared acoustic ratio, even if the maximal one exceed in refinement the minimal one for sure...You cannot rival a Revel speakers set well embedded in his room with my modified small cost speakers so good they are and they are ...Only an idiot can claim that and i am not one... I dont even need to listen to Revel speakers to know that... I know how to embed ANY speakers...

Understanding what is the relative balance between all acoustic factors at play  as they can be experienced in a room dedicated to the speakers and specific ears is key here ...

 

You sound like a nice guy. But many of your posts sound like you have a beef with higher end gear. There is more to higher end gear than just speakers and room acoustics! And BTW, who is this Jay guy you are referring to?

It has to do with what your goals are.  If you just want a system that gives you good sound and conveys the emotional content of the music, then you don't really need to spend that much money.  If you want a system that gives you great sound, impresses you every time you listen, BLOWS AWAY other listeners and looks impressive, then you'll have to spend larger amounts of money.  Even here the definition of large money is relative.

It has to do with what your goals are. If you just want a system that gives you good sound and conveys the emotional content of the music, then you don’t really need to spend that much money.

You are completely right here....That was my goal....To be more precise i wanted a system/room able to give me the acoustic experience of each recording space of any album as it was in three dimensions as if the speakers never existed... I succeeded in my first acoustic room completely ...

In my second acoustic smaller corner in my second home i succeeded partially because of the speakers size, but nevermind, it is good enough to reach almost ectasy , i compensated by creating a satisfying headphone system too this time to add too it...

My headphone system is TOP and gave me an out of the head speakers experience with deep bass and natural timbre ( i always disliked headphones by the way then to pick the right one at low cost and learn how to modify it and optimize it is not easy at all , it takes me years and 9 headphones trials ) ... 😊

If you want a system that gives you great sound, impresses you every time you listen, BLOWS AWAY other listeners and looks impressive, then you’ll have to spend larger amounts of money. Even here the definition of large money is relative

 

But you are not completely right here, the few people who listened my system were if not blown away because of the crazyness of my first acoustic room (100 tuned resonators and many other homemade devices) were impressed by the sound experience and the low cost of my system...

knowledge and experiments takes us a long way it seems...

The main reason I go to audio shows is so I can have a reference to compare my system to. You get to listen to expensive and professionally tuned systems and determine where your system stands. If you don't listen to other systems how could you possibly know?  Highly recommended.

One other point... In many cases there seems to be a belief that "if it costs more it must be better". This is completely false. This is where the imagination takes over and people will swear they hear great "jaw dropping" improvements just because it's expensive. 

The best example of this is a blind test in Spain where they had 30 audiophiles do a blind listening test of a $500 front end. A dirt cheap $200 Crown, class D amp, using the cheapest cables vs. a $12,000 front end.

Conclusion of the test: 1/3 picked the cheap system...1/3 picked the expensive system ...1/3 couldn't tell a difference.