A.I. music


Possibly of interest: "the current rush to advance generative AI technology could be "spiritually, politically, and economically" corrosive. By effectively removing people, like musicians, from algorithms and tech that create new content, elements of society that were once connections between people are turned into "objects" that become less interesting and meaningful, Lanier explained.

"As soon as you have the algorithms taking music from musicians, mashing it up into new music, and then not paying the musicians, gradually you start to undermine the economy because what happens to musicians now happens to everybody later," Lanier said.

He noted that, while this year has been the "year of AI," next year the world is going to be "flooded, flooded with AI-generated music."


https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-jaron-lanier-ai-advancing-without-human-dignity-undermines-everything-2023-10

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@mahgister Well articulated, and I share your pessimism... also, like you, optimistic in the long run, should we survive the short-term consequences of our actions.

Read up on the Fermi Paradox and the Great Filter... this could be one of the deciding/defining moments for us as a species...

 

 

Fermi Paradox and his solution with the idea of a drastic filtering of survival by a fitness survival testing . modulo an evolution which in most case drive most primitive civilizations to destruction then making them unable to exist and manifest out of the scale of their own planet is logical and probably right to a great extent...but it is not a complete solutuion and explanation. Why ?

Because there exist from a long time ago civilizations that had passed this test many billions years ago, and their spiritual status make them more Gods than mortals...

These masters or advanced beings or angels, names do not matter here , supervised and control the evolution in the cosmos coordinated by a conscious link with the Source. Nothing is only randomness anymore at this scale...Randomness is constrainted...Randomness is very hard to define in maths, it does not exist as an absolute single concept...

My intuition about this is born 50 years ago in my quest to understand the core and meaning of maths.

my basic intuition was founded in an understanding of the impossibility for any conscious primate or any other evolutive species to design or invent the prime numbers distribution geometry...

A long study of Cantor and set theory convinced me and a reading of Grothendieck books...As an aside i discovered that Set Theory intuition were grounded in the works of Dionysos the Areopagite and Nicolas of Cues by Cantor heavy study of them. Cantor taught theology and would had never defied orthodox mathematician about the infinite without an insight in mystic experience that assured him he was not a fool facing Kronecker and Russell and half of mathematicians in the world wanting to put him in an asylum for mental delirium .. This is forgotten today but was very real debates.... Hilbert cut the knot saying : "nobody will throw off from Cantor paradise".... Few people only know that the concept of limitation of size inspiring set theoretical methods before axiomatization come from mystical Duionysus methods ( the hierarchical principles first and then cataphatic and apophatic methods and non discursive intuition) See Michael Hallett book about Cantor principle limitation of size meaning .

My basic intuition about primes meanings  was also  confirmed to me 12 years ago by the book of Shai Haran : the real prime... A masterpiece about the importance of the non archimedean  reals world over the archimedean reals  ... Read his articles online... Buy his book ...

Then this was confirmed by the controversial inter-universal geometry of Shinichi Mochizuki...

In all these two works the search circle around the prime geometrical meaning...

But in 2020 i was astounded to stumble on the Book of Anirban "Nanobrain" which use the prime numbers matrixes to design brain as well as the cosmos...

To say it in a word i had no doubt at all after studying these three geniuses that no one invented the primes, they are discovered...Alain Connes the founder of non commutative geometry is sure of this fact...

The primes as the circle geometry are transcendant infinite objects we observe and which precede and survive any cosmos... They are the code of the brain as well as the cosmos...Their rooting together in a musical way...

Sorry but call him Brahman or Allah or God the father or the Goddess or the Source will not change mathematics... A universal field of creative memory is the core of mathematics and cannot be understood in any others ways...

We live in love source expressing itself as absolute knowledge from which we are a rooted extension ...

Maths demonstrate it in an evident way...

It is the reason why almost ALL true great geniuses in maths were mystics in orthodox ways as Pascal Cantor, Euler and many others in an unorthodox ways as Godel, Grothedieck or Ramanujan ...The list is too long...

Materialism is already dead but alas! was replaced by a very negative false religion : techno-cultism and idolization of our own machines... Destruction of our own soul or roots for an alleged constructed "immortality" by fear of what does not exist anyway : death ...

 

 

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I just finished a very interesting book on A.I. by Mustafa Suleyman titled "The Coming Wave: Technology, Power, and the 21st Century's Greatest Dilema. I highly recommend it if you are interested in this subject. I guarantee that it will sharpen your perspective on this issue.

AI isn’t really intelligent. It’s a data mining algorithm. It creates nothing on its own without referencing human work. It just accesses what is already created very well and can assemble it however it is asked to perform.

@falconquest I would submit that this is exacty what humans do. The phenonemon we call creativity is actually just a resythesis of elements that have come before. Music is an excellent example. There is nothing that is completely "original" in new music. Every new composition and performance references what has come before it. The concept of A.I. is modeled on how our brains work. It is only a matter of time before it A.I. exceeds the capabilities of the human brain and A.I. sentience is going to happen whether we like it or not.

Of course we are in for a sea change in just about everything and no I personally don't think it's a good thing.  I don't mind change...it the rapidity that bites you in the butt.  

I recall 30 some odd years ago as a software developer when I realized all of a sudden that anything can be faked.  It is just bits and bytes, and manipulated properly can produce anything you can imagine.  Was scary to me then and even more scary to me now.  Particularly because it seems today's youth seem to accept whatever is on a screen (obvious generalization).

@mahgister Please understand I respect the width and breadth of your knowledge base...to me it's simply a matter of "to much to read".  All the best.

Hold onto your shorts because they're trying to pull them down!

Regards,

barts

 

I just finished a very interesting book on A.I. by Mustafa Suleyman titled "The Coming Wave: Technology, Power, and the 21st Century’s Greatest Dilema. I highly recommend it if you are interested in this subject. I guarantee that it will sharpen your perspective on this issue.

 

Thanks for the book recommendation i will buy it now... I know the writer by youtube...he is interesting...

 

AI isn’t really intelligent. It’s a data mining algorithm. It creates nothing on its own without referencing human work. It just accesses what is already created very well and can assemble it however it is asked to perform.

@falconquest I would submit that this is exacty what humans do. The phenonemon we call creativity is actually just a resythesis of elements that have come before. Music is an excellent example. There is nothing that is completely "original" in new music. Every new composition and performance references what has come before it. The concept of A.I. is modeled on how our brains work. It is only a matter of time before it A.I. exceeds the capabilities of the human brain and A.I. sentience is going to happen whether we like it or not.

 

Now this matter in your post is very complicated to understand...

Saying that A. I. will exceed human intelligence is not even wrong...

Saying that A.I. do the same thing that human creativity rewashing and mixing old historical patterns is not even wrong either...

The fact is that any A.I. and even the unknown A. C. designed by Anirban B. about whom i spoke in my above posts, they are all machines which cannot be rooted in the universal information field of all living creatures... Life had a guiding soul which is a cell of this infinite cosmic field.

No machine can gain a soul by definition of being artificial or designed out of the grounded flow of life...

But someday we will use living cells materials for our machine...Soon... Then we will play God...

In the universe right now some civilizations had already designed "robots" made of living cells... Are they own a soul ? i dont know.... Extraterrestrials or beings from another dimensions exists already anyway and used these beings/machines way over our actual primitive A. I. and even over the artificial brain of the artyificial conscious machine designed by Anirban ... ...

Now creativity in human beings by all means come from spiritual sources in dreams or by intuition as it is well attested by scientific testimonies of many geniuses... It is not the results of the brain as described by neural networks computing models...

Perhaps A.C. as designed by Anirban synthetic biology will be able of some "creativity" but man is linked to an infinite field of primes not to a finite field as synthetic biological entities through his soul ... Nobody can create soul because nobody ever created the primes numbers infinity... They emanate together from the Source of all fields or cells...

 

Music is an excellent example. There is nothing that is completely "original" in new music.

I differ of opinion about that...

Bach creation may be previsible as possibilities in some measure but appear totally new even today and unique... The same is true for Gesualdo or Scriabin or any geniuses...Imitating is not creating...

The instantiation of the universal through an individual living soul/body is not equal to a simulation through mere variations between imitation and modelization by a machine or by a brain working as a machine like neural network llm ....

music as language /speech also is so complex that we dont have a mathemathical model explaining his production and infinite creativity...

Music/sounds and language/ speech are complex symbolic forms related to two irreducible levels : the body and the meaning or symbolic level...

You cannot program our actual machine to be creative... Productivity is not creativity... Turing test is only an artefact describing our deception/confusion level and reflecting our ignorance about ourselves...