@benanders that whole sentence sums up your stance on this matter. I literally took nothing out of context. I don’t know what you mean by “behavior”.
Once again, I’m enjoying this hobby and how my system sounds. I wish you the same.
I see the issue with ABX blind testing
I’ve followed many of the cable discussions over the years with interest. I’ve never tested cables & compared the sound other than when I bought an LFD amp & the vendor said that it was best paired with the LFD power cord. That was $450 US and he offered to ship it to me to try & if I didn’t notice a difference I could send it back. I got it, tried it & sent it back. To me there was no difference at all.
Fast forward to today & I have a new system & the issue of cables arises again. I have Mogami cables made by Take Five Audio in Canada. The speaker wire are Mogami 3104, XLRs are Mogami 2549 & the power cords are Powerline 10 with Furutech connectors. All cables are quite well made and I’ve been using them for about 5 years. The vendor that sold me the new equipment insisted that I needed "better" cables and sent along some Transparent Super speaker & XLR cables to try. If I like them I can pay for them.
In every discussion about cables the question is always asked, why don’t you do an ABX blind test? So I was figuring out how I’d do that. I know the reason few do it. It’s not easy to accomplish. I have no problem having a friend come over & swap cables without telling me what he’s done, whether he swapped any at all etc. But from what I can see the benefit, if there is one, will be most noticeable system wide. In other words, just switching one power cable the way I did before won’t be sufficient for you to tell a difference... again, assuming there is one. So I need my friend to swap power cables for my amp/preamp & streamer, XLR cables from my streamer to my preamp, preamp to amp & speakers cables. That takes a good 5-10 minutes. There is no way my brain is retaining what I previously heard and then comparing it to what I currently hear.
The alternative is to connect all of the new cables, listen for a week or so & then switch back & see if you feel you’re missing anything. But then your brain takes over & your biases will have as much impact as any potential change in sound quality.
So I’m stumped as to how to proceed.
A photo of my new setup. McIntosh MC462, C2700, Pure Fidelity Harmony TT, Lumin T3 & Sonus Faber Amati G5 & Gravis V speakers.
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Your argument are so lame, do you think i tune my room by ears with 100 resonators with astonishing results but all is wrong because my eyes were open ? Do you think we can ABX double blind a piano tuner tuning the piano to be sure he do the job? Do you think save occasional simple blind test that i needed ABX blind test to convince me that what i perceive in each changing of parameters, on 100 resonators tweaked mechanically , thousand of operations for the fun of experiment, do you think my ears/brain delude me ? Study real acoustics science not ABX double blind test manual useful for statistical studies in science yes but useless and impracticable when creating our system/room/ears paradise... You are in a techno-cult as many engineers... Do you wait the replacement of man by machine too ? 😊 I change the porthole of my speakers using a bundle of straws of different size and lenght by ears, using Helmholtz principle about resonators all this with a complete improvement so great it is no more the same speakers at all . Do you think i need ABX double blind specialist to guide me ? If you think so you are deluded by your ideology which has nothing to do with science... We are not a big pharma company here nor a studies group in acoustics using population statistics with double blind test... 😊 |
Odd argument. No one but you thinks that you tune your room with 100 resonators with astonishing results. You make such a statement, deem it a fact because you say its & then challenge anyone to disagree with your opinions. I've tried to take this topic seriously but it's comments like that that make me think that it's too silly to continue. I'm out. |
You read my post the wrong way as it suit you... I insisted on acoustics experiments learning...NOT ON MY ROOM S.Q. save anecdotally which was my laboratory .... It does not matter how sound my room for you ... What matters is the results even if someone can consider them imperfect, they were stunning and would be stunning for everyone... How do you think i learned how to create the listener envelopment and sound source auditory width ratio correctly for my ears/brain located at some specific spot in my AUDIO ROOM ? In acoustics research papers it is called LV/SRW, here the definition : https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1027235/FULLTEXT01.pdf It is not important that my room please you, it please my specific ears and the change is stunning for anyone as night in hell before and day in heaven after...😊 You can doubt it because you are ignorant in acoustics. Phone one and ask him ...Ask him if i am in delirium describing the potential effect of acoustic control of a room and ask him about this ratio : LV/SWR Only narrow mind and ignorant of what acoustics means as concept in science can think that it means ONLY few panels on a wall because his wife own the living room ...Acoustics science exist with or without wife and in dedicated room ... 😁 Helmholtz resonators works as a deep central concept in acoustics...Try wikipedia...or a handbook of acoustics...I modified not only my room but by headphones and my speakers using these principles... My room was my fun laboratory not a theater for ABX double blind test of cables for "deaf" consumers... Read this above it describe what it is in great hall but the concept are the same but not applied in the same way for sure in a small room i can send you articles ... I used many articles for room acoustics because Hall acoustics is another applied realm but it is the same concepts..
You stop discussion because your ABX double blind test made no sense in architec tural acoustics construction process be it a Hall or a room ...Guess why ?😃 It is because the construction is based on physical acoustics measurements and each in wall resonators can be computed... But you can work in a very small room with various resonators and tune them by ears ...I did it for fun ...It takes 100 because of auto correction of the timbral and dynamics to my taste ... I learned acoustics in the process. I even created by the resonators grid positioning around each speakers and around my ears gaining some ambiophonic results using others mechanical means (fold screen ) with the resonators...
When someone here said "i am out" facing real argument revealing the preposterousness of this ABX circus with no answer, he say "i am out" because he act like a children going to pout in his corner ... Simple blind test are useful as i said i used them many times.it is necessary all along the acoustic tuning process.. ABX double blind is used with good reason in the industry for sure... For audiophiles it is a circus which is amusing to see and the results for a couple of cables not scientific at all because all others usual factors linked to a cable evaluation are eliminated ( our usual environment) Cables are secondary factors of S.Q. anyway not primary fundamental one ... Yes cables may sound different it does not means that it is rational to buy 10,000 bucks cables... It is ignorance of acoustics or deep pocket ...
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