no loudness is dependent on power of the amplifier and sensitivity of the loudspeaker a tube amplifier load matches via an output transformer so any additional device is un necessary
only otl amplifiers would need this
assistance
Push-pull Tube Amps and autoformers
I’ve gone and done it and decided to marry my 1.7i Maggies to mono Quicksilver M60s that only output 60w per. Crazy, I know. But the sound is sweet, and mellow for my jazz, though yes, at lower volumes, and they certainly do not allow the Maggies a full sprint, like with the Parasound A21+ that I can switch to (Luxman AS-55) when I want to throw-down serious dBs. But still, I would like a bit more punch from the QS. So, that led me to Paul Speltzer’s Zero Boxes. I talked with Paul (great guy to talk things through with), and he wasn’t certain that the “push-pull” QS would benefit from the Zeros, (because they were originally designed more for OTL amps like Atmospheres.) But, after talking it through awhile, we thought it worth the 60 day return trial period to see if the Zeros might help add that punch, if I use the 8 or 16 ohm taps. They arrive in a couple of weeks, so I’ll know soon enough. But, in the meantime, any of you have input, or experience with using autoformers (or auto transformers) with push-pull amps like QS? (Please give me a pass on bad speaker/amp impedance matching, ok? I knowingly signed-up for low-powered tubes for my 84db Maggies because others I trust on this forum have had good things to say about doing crazy sh-t like that. And, its just a trial. So, chime in gently, please.
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@audiodidact I think the best way to use the ZEROs is to use the 16Ohm taps on your Quicksilvers if they have one. Then use the ratio on the ZEROs that seems to sound best. Keep the speaker cables as short as possible and as heavy as possible between the ZEROs and the speakers. You can use longer cables between the amps and ZEROs and they don't have to be so heavy. This might give you more bass extension since most output transformers become less efficient when using the lower impedance taps and they often lose low frequency bandwidth at the same time. You might also get less distortion- if so the system will sound less bloated, more relaxed and you might hear more detail. |
@atmasphere, Thanks for the encouraging words, however, the Quicksilver M60 only has 1, 4 and 8 ohm taps. Is that end-game? |
@audiodidact with your particular tube amplifiers you do not need the Speltz Zeros, as I am surprised Ralph is saying it is ok. They were created for OTL amplifiers. If I am understanding you correctly, I agree with audiotroy. Get a robust and beefy solid state amplifier " that you like " to drive your Maggies. There are some speakers that do better with the muscle of a great solid state amp. Enjoy ! MrD. |
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