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Streaming solution help - Dynaudio X12 + Hegel H95. Any advice would be appreciated!

Hi Audiogon community, hoping someone can help me out here, I will give a detailed background before asking questions:

I have a Hegel H95 integrated amplifier paired with some old Dynaudio Excite X12 bookshelf speakers via old (Gen 1) Transparent Audio MusicWave speaker cables. 

I used to use this system in another location and fed it FLAC files from my laptop running Audirvana, via a Curious USB cable. I was very satisfied with the sound and the speakers disappeared into the room and threw a rather good soundstage/stereo image, at least width-wise. Not perfect or end-game, but highly enjoyable. Running Spotify, it was still enjoyable though not quite as resolving (which was fully expected). 

Fast forward a few years. I've moved and getting back into setting up in a new space (a bit larger room/different layout than before, so I'm aware speaker placement, listening position are critical given room interactions/energizing the space and thus, potentially driving power of the H95 may not suit the new dimensions of the room). New space, different game.

For various reasons, I want to start using Tidal (and maybe Spotify) to stream music from my phone. 

The Hegel H95 does have a network input in the back of the unit, but I don't have my house networked for a direct connection to the router. I DO have a satellite Orbi station sitting nearby which I linked up to my WiFi. This Orbi unit can do RJ-45 out, so as an experiment, I was planning on running that into the Hegel network input to see it it will work and get the Hegel to "show up" as a streaming device under the Tidal/Spotify apps via my WiFi network.

I very recently helped my father set up a Wiim Pro + streamer (with linear power supply) which we fed into his LS50W's (Gen 1) via good quality RCA's. After a bit of PEQ and slight adjustments to the speaker positioning, we both agree the resulting sound/stereo image is by far better than the stock setup/streaming that the LS50W provides via KEF's app. Wider soundstage, more 'enveloping' and warm - maybe AKM chip at work? Some think that the ADC in the LS50W would negate that, but who knows? Regardless, to our ears, the Wiim Pro + implementation into his setup is a marked improvement in the sound, not subtle in the least. Remarkable considering the 500 dollar investment for the Wiim, cables and LPS.

I do know that there are limitations on file bitrate/depth in regards to what the built in DAC of the H95 can handle. I would like to seek a way around that, which in my case would seem to necessitate an outboard streamer and DAC or both in one. 

I have considered trying a Wiim Pro + of my own and seeing if that would work well. My concern is - even though my system is 'mid-fi' at best, would I be leaving performance on the table by going Wiim Pro + versus another solution? I have considered: 

Gustard A26 or R26 - getting these to work with the WiFi may be tricky or a waste of time if the bandwidth is too low or lossy? 

EverSolo DMP-A6 or DMP-A8 - same as above, but not sure?

BlueSound Node X - No experience with this unit. I like the sound of the AKM in the Wiim Pro + in my father's setup, but maybe there are other considerations, as in how the DAC chip, regardless of manufacturer, is implemented? 

Any other advice/input for things I should consider would be welcomed, but what I am aiming for is a solution that will:

1. Play nice with my WiFi approach -  as ill-advised as it may be - from a sound quality perspective (it's what I'm stuck with -  at least for the next few months). 

2. Have a relatively easy to use app I can control via my phone from the couch or otherwise stream directly via the Tidal or Spotify app. 

3. Not limit my use of Tidal masters or otherwise higher bitrate music streams, regardless of source.

Any suggestions on what I should do or consider? I'm also open to potentially upgrading the H95 to something with a little more driving power and streaming capability but it should have some synergy with the X12's. 

As an aside, if anyone has suggestions on an aftermarket power cable for the H95 and potentially speaker cables that might pair well, I would consider that as a parallel upgrade as well. 

 

Thanks in advance!

 

 

audioneo80
audioneo80 OP
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https://forum.audiogon.com/posts/2697096

 

Hi fariatarves, thanks for taking the time to post and help me. I agree with your comment that Wiim is a relatively cheap solution and as mentioned in my original post, both my father and I were shocked at how much of a difference it made in his LS50W setup at his house. Have you tried using an LPS with your Wiim? We found that it made a significant difference to the sound quality for the better - better soundstaging, much clearer point sources for voice and instruments, far better layering and depth and width. Also the bass was much less congested and "wooly" sounding and appreciably more musical. 

Good to know that you also have the X12's and enjoy them. I found them to be great performers as well. I should give a little context to my question about the H95 usage with them: My original setup was in a relatively small loft space and the H95 did a fine job of driving the X12's. My new space where I intend to set everything up is significantly larger and that is why I am wondering about the driving power of the H95 (which is only 60W into 8 ohm - I haven't seen the specs for 4 ohm listed anywhere) to suit the larger listening space I intend to use them in. I have seen posts elsewhere which pointed to users having excellent results using around 100 wpc driving power from the amp. If I may ask, what amplifier are you using with your X12's? 

In doing more research, I did find that the Eversolo products mentioned in my original post handle WiFi, so I am leaning to the DMP-A8 (due to AKM chips - warmer less analytic sound quality, reviews seem to confirm that) as a potential solution but to your point, the Wiim Pro + is a far cheaper solution at around 1/10th the cost. 

I've seen many highly favorable reviews of the DMP-A8, one of them even said they compared it against the Gustard R26 and he liked the DMP-A8 sound better. I can only imagine it would be much better than any of the Wiim products, provided the rest of the system was up to the task. What I'm basically wondering is "is my system up to that task?" hence my post. 

Thanks again for your reply. 

soix
9,652 posts
 

In doing more research, I did find that the Eversolo products mentioned in my original post handle WiFi, so I am leaning to the DMP-A8

You’re better off going hardwired from your Orbi rather than using just Wi-Fi.  There’s something about streamers processing the Wi-Fi signal that seems to significantly degrade performance, and since you already have the Orbi it’s a no brainer IMHO. 

As far as the amp, your Dyns have low sensitivity (84.8dB as measured by Stereophile) and would likely benefit from more power especially as you’re moving into a larger space — I’d shoot for at least 100Wpc.  If you like the sound with the H95 then simply moving up the Hegel line would be worth considering, and you’d also likely be getting a better DAC as well.  Just my $0.02 FWIW.

audioneo80 OP
12 posts
 

https://forum.audiogon.com/posts/2697096

 

Hi Soix, 

Thanks for the suggestion and yes, it was my plan to hardwire from the Orbi to the Hegel. As you said, no-brainer. 

Also agree on your comment on the amp especially from what I've seen in other postings regarding X12. I had considered a Cambridge Audio CXA-81. I saw that the Mk1 model is discounted everywhere so I looked at Cambridge Audio's website and saw they're in the process of launching a Mk2 with some upgrades that apparently improves soundstage depth. I have zero experience with CA products. Judging by the reviews, some people love the amp, others say it's boring, I guess it all depends on the context of the whole system, kind of like how my father's LS50W sounded cold, shrill and clinical in its delivery using onboard DAC, but that all changes when using the Wiim Pro + via RCA and LPS. I have seen no reviews on the Hegel H95 paired with the X12s, specifically. 

Are there any 100 wpc amplifiers you would recommend I consider? I am by no means tied to Hegel so whereas I do agree with your suggestion to look up the Hegel line, they are rather expensive versus other options so I thought I would ask. 

soix
9,652 posts
 

yes, it was my plan to hardwire from the Orbi to the Hegel. As you said, no-brainer…Are there any 100 wpc amplifiers you would recommend I consider?

Even if you get a streamer like the Eversolo you should still hardwire it to the Orbi and not use Wi-Fi — not sure if I was clear on that. As for the amp, it really depends on what improvements and sound characteristics you’re after. Lots of good alternatives so just depends mostly on what specifically you’d like to achieve sonically with a new amp. Also, what would your budget be and would you be looking for new or used?

audioneo80 OP
12 posts
 

Thanks soix. So maybe it’s my confusion but:

If I connect the Orbi to the H95 via a cable then the H95 DAC would be used. I just emailed Hegel to seek their instructions on how to do this, by the way and thanks for the suggestion! 
 

however in the case of a streamer, let’s say the WiiM or the Eversolo, 

both of those have WiFi built in so the sound files would go over WiFi via my network and then decoded and the analog signal would go from the streamer to the H95 rca inputs. I don’t understand why introducing the Orbi into that mix would help? Unless you are saying that it would be a better choice due to sound quality? If so, why? I’m genuinely curious. Should I use any special RJ45 cable or is a stock one just fine? 
 

for the amplifier, I’d say around 2-3k. New preferred just due to warranty if anything goes awry. Had a couple bad experiences buying used hifi gear in the past. I had an integrated amplifier and a cd player go bad on me within a few months of me buying them and they both needed costly repairs. 
 

I’m a self proclaimed soundstage addict. I’m after that “3-d” sound with as much width and depth as possible, and prefer a warmer sound over a hyper detailed analytic one. Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate detail but some liquidity and “soul” is needed for my ears. Hope that helps, if not feel free to ask any questions and thanks for taking the time and effort to help me. 

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