Your yes’s and no’s of speakers seem consistent with your observations of speaker brands. Off the cuff… sorry that Pass is out… I would think Wilson / Pass would be a good combo for you. There are some other combos but not sure the Accuphase is the right choice. You seem to know what you want… you might need to choose the speaker then preamp / amp to get what you want.
Non-fatiguing speakers in $10K range?
Some years ago I downsized to headphones only. Now I have access to a dedicated room again, so getting my absorption panels and ASC Tube traps back from storage... :-) The amp is going to be Accuphase E-800. I like class A, and I owned fair share of Pass gear but Pass integrated (and lower preamps) no longer have tape loop. I also like my gear to look the way I enjoy and Pass went too industrial for me.
Anyway, long story short. Speakers. I prefer relaxed, non-fatiguing sound. My headphones are Meze Elites and I love them. I also own Focal Utopia, but rarely listen to them, too forward for me.
Now, music-wise I do not listen to jazz or classical or vocals, sorry. Classic rock, hard rock, 80s new wave, punk, pop (classic and modern) and African blues like Tinariwen. People tend to insta-suggest forward sounding speakers - you like metal, right???. But I don't like piercing sound and I rarely go to concerts exactly because of this. I listen to AC/DC but NOT at 'realistic' revels. I like rhythm, melody, but I don't care about 120 Db.
The budget is about $10K, give or take, most probably second hand, but I can buy new, if I really like it. Unfortunately, there are not that many high end shops around Seattle with gear I like. Some went selling vintage and some went up selling only $100K+ systems. So most probably will be getting something blind.
It seems I should be looking for ribbon tweeters, I spent hours at youtube - it is definitely not listening in person, but some recordings are pretty decent and many show differences between speaker models.
I also compare frequency response measurements - I can easily tell that I won't like the speaker by looking at the chart. Ex, bump around 2-6K is a no-no since this is what "bright" is. Dip is actually good since this is what makes sound less "in your face/ear".
So far I more-or-less narrowed my search down to Legacy (Signature or Focus), Dali 8, ProAc (D48 or K) and - maybe - Magico A3? Legacy is huge, I am not sure I really need 20Hz extension. Magico has beryllium tweeters which may be bright....
I purchased Tannoy D700 many years ago, still own them, they are part of my TV set up. They sound good, but not as good as I would like it. My desktop speakers are ribbons too - AirPulse, I like them quite a bit.
Anything else I am missing?
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I think you’ve identified some good candidates with the possible exception of the A3s that may trigger your treble sensitivity especially with the music you listen to. Given what you’re looking for I immediately thought Legacy or used Acoustic Zen Crescendos if you can accommodate their size. There’s a nice pair of AZs available now… https://www.usaudiomart.com/details/650110650-acoustic-zen-crescendo-tower-speakers/ ProAc is one of my fave speakers as well, and QLN Prestige 3 is also worth a look. Best of luck. |
Revel F 208 sound very smooth and non-fatiguing.if you look at the Stereophile measurements they do not suffer that bump in the frequency response that you mention.If anything they have a slight recess there. Also Revival Audio Atilante. Unfortunately most modern speakers seem to be voiced to sound impressive for short term [showroom] listening but will become annoying over time. |
Hi @mikhailark , On my speaker buying adventure a few years ago I heard both the D48 and the K6 from Proac. Very nice. Bottom ports I believe so bass was impressive and highs silky smooth. I had Vandersteen Sig3a's years ago and they did not do it. I passed on Magico, Kef Reference, Sonus Faber Amati Tradition, and Focals in favor of Revel Salon 2's (used). They are getting to be a bit of an older model, but they do nothing wrong and everything right. The Studio 2's are great for a smaller room, but the Salon 2's fill a big room beautifully. They do like power. And I like sealed speakers vs ports, fundamentally. You see them now for under 10k for the Salon 2's, a steal. Good Luck! |
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