Benz micro glider cartridge loading advice needed.


Hello! I hope you are all doing well!

I just purchased a new phono pre amp.

I have an older Benz micro glider moving coil cart with 1.1 mv output.

The pre amp has gain of 45db (mm) up to 65bd (mc).

Load settings for moving coil are: 10, 22, 47, 100, 220,  470, 1k, 22k, 47k.

I know that I should listen for myself to determine the best setting. But can someone with more experience than myself give me a range within which to start based on having used gliders in their systems?

 

Thanks !

judsauce

Here’s a way to think of it. No one is “using” phase inversion. It’s simply a fact that some gain topologies invert the phase of the incoming signal, and some don’t. Designers choose a gain topology based on their personal beliefs about how to realize maximum gain, linearity, bandwidth, etc, with lowest distortion, regardless of how their choices affect the phase of the amplified output signal with respect to the input signal that must be amplified (and for phono, which must be RIAA filtered in the process). Then they inform the end user that the circuit “inverts phase”. That means input vs output. I personally think it’s a tempest in a teapot for most of us. If you’re as sensitive to absolute phase as Dover, there’s a 50-50 chance you’ll prefer the phase inverted output to a non-inverted signal, for a given track on a given LP. Because the phase characteristics of recorded material are all over the place. But if you want to worry, I’d look for a preamp or phono stage with a “phase” switch, unless you enjoy crawling on the floor to swap speaker wires or, god forbid, swapping cartridge connections for every track.

@dover ​​​

@lewm 

Thank you both for extremely informative and well written posts. It totally shines a light on a subject I knew very little about. I'm going to have to normal up the leads on my cart for my new phono preamp. I don't look forward to it. I first inverted the leads years ago for my SFP1 preamp, but I did it before I set up the cartridge for the table. This time I'm going to swap and normal up the leads while the cart is still on the arm. Wish me luck! 🙄

 

Thanks again 

If you read my last post carefully, you will see that on of my points is that although you may swap speaker leads, etc, to create a situation where the phase of the output signal from your preamplifier is the same as the phase of the input, that alone is no guarantee that you have "solved" the issue for once and for all. This is a consequence of the variability of recordings with respect to phase, which is to say (again) that for some recordings, reversing the phase of the input signal is may be preferred, for those who can hear any difference in the first place. The first thing you might want to do is to experiment back and forth with a single recording to establish whether phase makes any audible difference to you in your system in your room. (The listening room probably also plays a role in how easily one can discern an effect of changing absolute phase.)