Why I don't hear bass drums on Jazz LPs?


I don't hear the bass drums during playback of a number of jazz LPs (Webster, Hawkins, Ellington, etc). I have Thiel 3.6 speakers powdered by Mark Levinson 23.5 amp. I can isolate the sound of bass drums on rock/pop LPs but not on jazz LPs unless drummer play solo in the middle parts.

 

I read somewhere this has to do with size of the bass drums used in 40s, 50s and another explanation was the way drummer play bass drums. I can clearly isolate the double bass, snare drums, and cymbals on jazz LPs, but hardly the bass drum. Let me know your experience with this issue. 

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What do you professional drummers think of Joe Morello?  I was always amazed at his time keeping on the iconic Brubeck albums, Time Out and Take Five. I have one LP on which he is the lead musician.  But he did not receive much notoriety for his skills, at least not as much as I would have expected.

 

@lewm: Oh man Lew, I was playing with a guitarist who wanted include "Take Five" in his live shows. I can’t tell you how hard Morello’s part in that song is to play convincingly. He asked me if I could do it, and I replied "Sort of". Not even close!

By the way, my favorite drum "solo" are the little "breaks" Don Lamond plays in the recording of Bobby Darin’s "Beyond The Sea". SO cool!

 

Morello seems to lay back until the last millisecond and then let loose with a meticulous riff, on those Brubeck albums.  I think i read somewhere that the time signature was 11/13 or something ridiculous like that, on Take Five.  Although the name of the tune may suggest it was 5 beats per measure.

I’m a jazz fan and especially a jazz drummer fan...current drummers like Tyshawn Sorey, Bill Stewart, Bryan Blade, Dave King, etc...not yer grandaddy’s drummers, and you can easily hear the kick in balance with everything else. Also note that not all jazz drummers adhere to the aforementioned cliche’s about "head on-head off kick drum size standards," and that’s a good thing. I get the thing about older recordings of course, but meh...I just turn the subs up a little.

Ralph Collier was a very fine and very tasteful drummer you don’t hear much about today. He played with Goodman, Kenton and Bob Crosby, among others. He could really swing a band and used the kick drum sparingly but to excellent effect.  There are some good examples of his playing on YouTube.