speakers and cables


this is about me being a loser and problem creator.

I finally got a 2nd subwoofer and I was excited to hook it up. Well, not too excited. I knew it would be a pain to hook it up. I was excited to hear it. I spent over 90 minutes connecting the speaker wires to my power amp. When I turned it on, the left channel was gone. It blew the fuse. I disconnected everything, replaced the fuse, hooked it up again. It worked for 10 seconds, blew the fuse again.

The way I hooked them up was I went from the sub speaker out from both subwoofers, rolled the left and right side wires together so I had 4 wires that I connected to the left and right plus and minus channels - speaker binders on the power amp. What are my options? My preamp has no sub out. Nor my amp.

Stupid question: should I just go from left to left on one sub and right to right on the other sub?

grislybutter

Too bad @erik_squires has left the forum. This is an area where he could answer in his sleep.

I believe the correct way to wire it is not in parallel but in series.

Take the left speaker wire to the left input of your sub "speaker level input’ and then go from "speaker level output" to your speaker. same on the right.

Do not hook anything to the right speaker on the left sub and vice versa.

And I don't think you need a high pass filter, The sub has all it needs between the speaker level input and output.

Jerry

thank you @carlsbad2, I am a big fan of Erik but I had a lot of good advice and options so far including yours. Once my coffee kicks in, I will try and compare them. Wiring-wise yours is the least stressful.

Step one is to determine if the output of your amp is balanced or single end. If it is balanced the negative is not ground. If you don’t know the. The safest thing to do is connect the black to the chassis. If you have REL line subs then you need to combine the two positive wire to the right sub s x connect if to the right positive terminal. Then repeat this for the left. Black goes to chassis. This should work. 

I think I have a compromised system

I am also a member of that club.

it’s a glass with dirt on it, an extra layer of dirt won’t make a huge difference

That is absolutely one way to look at it. Of course, the other way to look at it is. . . .

And despite my limitations, I love listening to my rig,

And that’s a healthy attitude and one I try live by myself. If there is something I think that I can easily and affordably correct, I will give it a try. But sure, there are always compromises and certain sacrifices to be made in an imperfect world. I think that ’Y’ connectors out of a preamp MIGHT be a degree of a compromise that MIGHT sacrifice the siganl to a degree (to what degree I won’t venture, and "might" was an operative word), but what you get for that compromise is the ability to hook your subs up with RCAs and go straight to your speakers from the amp. That might be worth the compromise, and I guess the only way to know for sure would be to try both ways and compare. And I, personally, hate making audio comparisons, although some members seem to literally thrive on it.

As far as my analogy . . . that applies to the way I believe that my hearing works and not necessarily yours or anyone else’s. After I was thinking about it for a while, I actually thought of a better analogy for myself. Do you remember quite a long time ago hearing about when movie theaters were doing something to the effect of slipping in a quick frame of a cheese burger or something delicious every so many frames of the movie they were showing? The frame of the cheeseburger (or whatever it was) came and went so quickly that no one in the audience actually realized that they saw it. But, cheeseburger sales at the concessions counter increased dramatically. Or something like that--I don’t remember the exact details. But where I am going with that is that I believe my own hearing works kind of like that. I may not think I hear something that incrementally improves or degrades the performance of my system, but over time I start to realize that I am experiencing an increased level of comfort in my listening experiences (note the plural form) or, on the other hand, an increased level of listening fatigue and less desire to go back to my room and listen.

Just my own personal theory on my own personal hearing is all.

Not long ago I posted a question about power cords, and what one of the respondents replied with was mind blowing to me. Mind blowing in the differences he said he heard with different cords. That ability to hear (and identify what I hear) is wayyyyy beyond me.

 

 

 

 

 

@immatthewj

I think your ear can train your brain, and your brain can work with your ears to look for more details. But it truly only matters with discerning systems, "anyone" can hear the difference between a bluetooth pill and and car radio. We are in this hobby because we look for the perfect sound. So you can probably hear a lot more than you think :)

I remember your example from Colombo.

I also like Andrew Jones’s explanation that everything is determined to be flawed from the source to the speaker and what engineers do is fixing errors along the way. (Paraphrasing)