Would like to try a tube preamp after years of solid state and hybrid


I would like to replace my Counterpoint SA-1000 preamp of which I am the original owner.  I have never been satisfied with it.  I bought it as a replacement for a Hafler DH-100 pre that I bought to go with a Hafler DH-220 amp.  (I still like the amp, more so after I recapped it and upgraded a few parts.)  I did a total recap of the Counterpoint and replaced some of the rca jacks, along with a few other small things, but still find it to sound congested and dull.  In my opinion, it didn’t live up to the positive reviews that it received when it was released, but it served well in a secondary system.  My primary system makes use of an Aragon 24k preamp and 4004 amp which I find to be an acceptable level of performance.  I am using all digital sources at the moment, a JVC XL-Z1050 cd player or MacBook Pro through a Weiss DAC204.  The speakers are B&W Cm1/CM2.  Yes, with the exception of the DAC, it is all from around the same vintage.  You might be able to guess, but I have chosen components which produce a clean and crisp sound.  I am at the point that I would like to experiment with a completely different sound in the form of an old school, or near old school, tube preamp.  

 

I have been doing as much research as I can, including many thoughts from the Audiogon community, and have narrowed my choices down to the following few that are available right now, but open to other suggestions as I’m not in any rush.  I’m not a super-critical listener, but I have music training and experience, so I know what instruments and performances sound like live.  My budget is $2,000 or less plus trade value for the Counterpoint, and my goals are to get something that sounds obviously like a tube component.  I would like to equal or exceed the performance of the 24k in case I like the tubes better.  A phono stage is not required, but welcome.  I don’t like designs that have exposed tubes or showy facades (McIntosh, Zesto, PrimaLuna, etc).  I would like to get some guidance from the forum members.  

 

Conrad-Johnson PV 5, PV 10, PV 11, or other

Audible Illusions Modulus L3 or M3

Cary SLP-70

VAC Standard LE

Joule Electra LA-150 (in spite of the fact that they are out of business)

Audio Research (although I can’t decipher which model to consider - LS7, LS17, LS25?)

 

If I choose something newer, perhaps Quicksilver, AVA, Modwright, or Brown Audio Lab, but these might not sound ad "tubey" as the older units.

 

I understand that the older preamps might require some amount of rehabilitation, some of which I can do.  Nothing is a sure bet, but I would appreciate your input.

 

Thanks for any input, and best wishes!

charliehorse

@charliehorse, as I mentioned previously, preamp tubes (and those are 6SN7s in the SLP98) do not get roasting hot like amp output tubes do, but I’d still like to give them some breathing room up top. I just did a quick search on the internet and it appears as if it goes back to ’93 (I thought is was further back than that) & listed for $1350. The tube complement was two 12AX7s ( a small signal tube) and two 6SN7s and two 6SL7s which are the same size as each other but larger than the 12AX7s. If you’ve looked at any pictures of it, you have noted that it is an enclosed chassis, so perhaps one does not need to be as cautious about having it in a somewhat restricted space. After a few hours of listening, my SLP05 and it’s power supply are very warm to the touch, but not hot enough that I cannot leave my hand on them. (The SLP98 also has a separate power supply, and I am thinking that the 70 does as well.) If you do start leaning in the direction of a 98, you might reach out to Cary and see what they think about the space you have that it would live in. You will probably have to email them, as I think that their tech support no longer talks on the phone to people about product questions and problems. In the days of old, customer support was a huge selling point for Cary as far as I was concerned.

Here is what someone had to say about their Cary SLP70:

"I actually have another Cary Audio SLP-70 that has been highly modified that I now use for phono only duties. These units really do have nice phono stages as do most tube amps of this vintage. Unlike the Conrad Johnson tube preamps, the Cary SLP-70 does not seem overly warm or sweet. It provides a clear, clean, and open presentation and never does anything to get in the way of the music. It reveals the details of the music, but not at the expense of blunting the transients."

I recently bought a lightly used Icon Audio LA4 Mk 3 for less than $1500 more from curiosity than anything else and was amazed at the performance. It wasn't as tubey sounding as a CJ pre but had all the other attributes in spades, especially the quietness. It was in fact the quietest tube pre I have ever heard or not heard in this case. The pre was so good I now use it in place of a well reviewed $10,000 pre, which in deference to the designer I will not name. If you can find an Icon give it a try, especially the Signature model.

If pursuing an Audible Illusions product, the L series has a remote for volume and mute. The M series has no remote control. 
 

Currently I’m using the L3A in my main system. Love it. 
 

Had the M3A many moons ago and always missed it once it was sold….

Find an Audio Research SP-6B.  It's a 40+ year-old classic tube preamp that still holds its own,

I still have the sa-1000 and feel the same about it my other system with Maggie speakers has the Shindo monbrison.  I love Shindo considering moving up its line and would put it up against any of the other players.  The entry preamp Aurieges is well regarded and close to ur budget. I believe it has a high output impedance.  So Definitely try to take into account synergies where demoing at home is possible.  Some come across analytical and some on the warm side 

have fun