Tone arm length


I assume this question is not brand specific. 

However my question is specifically related to the Clearaudio Innovation Wood with the Universal tonearm, 9 or 12" options. The cost between the two is minimal, but I'd love to hear opinions on why one or the other is preferred.

Thank you.

 

macg19

I’ve spoken at length about this topic with two audio pioneers who are some of the most knowledgable people on the planet when it comes to vinyl reproduction.

George Merrill (whom I assume needs no introduction here) strongly prefers 12-inch arms for the most obvious reason: geometry. If you focus on optimizing cartridge alignment, a longer arm is clearly superior when it comes to things like optimizing the placement of null points.

But JR Boisclair of WAM Engineering (that’s "Wallytools") disagrees that this benefit outweighs the real-world performance benefits of a shorter arm. For those not familiar with WAM, JR is known for his years of extensive testing and analysis of arm & cartridge characteristics. Sure, resonances & whatnot are factors to consider, but qualitative factors don’t automatically translate into quantitative differences in performance. If a cartridge is properly aligned -- something that JR insists must be done by means of microscopic analysis -- arm bearings become a crucial factor. JR has found that too-loose or too-tight bearings may be the most important cause when an otherwise good arm exhibits a lot of mistracking. (He even sells a WallyTool that checks bearing play.) And he’s found empirically that a 9-inch arm, all things equal, will almost always be more stable than an equivalent 12-inch model.

Me, I've always been in awe of George's expertise and still love the bespoke table he built for me many years ago. But I gotta say that JR is a brilliant engineer, is not given to hyperbole, and has a fanatical commitment to basing his conclusions on high-precision empirical measurements. So when I upgrade to a Hana Umami next month (after my unit has been analyzed by WAM, of course), I’ll probably be picking up one of George’s 9-inch arms to go with it.

 

After reading the descriptions of JR Boisclair's thoughts shared on TA Bearing accuracy, it seems the Designer / Producer of the TA I use are sharing similar thoughts.

The TA has beatings produced using interface materials that are extremely stable, machined to low microns as a tolerance and are with the lowest coefficient of friction. Other parts used are also capable of less than a micron adjustment.

Reports like your own help to underpin my own thoughts behind the reasons why such a positive impression is made when experiencing this TA in use.   

Interesting that JR’s preferred arm seems to be a 4Point-14, or so I’ve gathered from conversations with him. Maybe it’s just a convenient tool for analyzing cartridges.

Dear @macg19 : I’m in agreement with what wereposted by @mikelavigne and @mijostyn.

 

This link confirm it and came from the SAT tonearm designer ( the tonearm has a tag price of over 60K. ) :

 

https://swedishat.com/SAT%209%22%20vs%2012%22%20paper.pdf

 

The main subject of your thread as any thing in the analog audio world has many trade-off.

If you have only the 9"/12" alternatives then go for the 9".

In my case my " best " compromise ( trade-off. ) is the tonearm 10" length where I can have the 9" advantages and some of the 12" one with out any of the 12" disadvantages. As I said:a compromise that for me means the " best " equilibrium to reach my targets.

 

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,

R.

There's much wisdom (and a bit of controversy) in this thread. 

Suffice to say that I fall in the camp that there are many reasons to advocate long arms, but significantly improved tracing distortion is not one of them.

I recently fired up John Ellison's seminal work - his Baerwaald / Löfgren spreadsheet to model various geometries, setups, the relative significance of getting zenith right vs. overhang, and several other scenarios.

If anyone is interested, here's the link:  Modeling Various Setup Parameters

Thom @ Galibier