Step Up Transformers….Are they Worth the Trouble?

@atmasphere Very Touchy,

Thank You for the reminder and prompting myself to state as a Layman. Recorded Music Replay to become an Audio Experience, is dependent on Electric being generated at a source, which is to become a sent signal and managed through a selection of designs for Amplification that is dependent on Math. Where the Math is a fundamental requirement to Amplify a Electrical Signal with the sole intent to convert the Amplified Signal to become a conversion to a different energy type being Sound.

How silly of me to let it seem like I was overlooking this area of importance  

I have plenty of 'over the dam' experiences with Sales Persons. My assessment is that in their view, they are 'always right' in their own opinions and those shared are some sought of Gospel. Lucky for them they are not written as these opinions are very short lived, or last as long as the next best of the best arrives on the shelves.

Sales Persons are able to make very interesting claims for Sale Items, at the time of seeking a Closed Won. This biased encounter is one I have been proactive in avoiding. I have removed encounters with at work Sales Persons from my Audio Experience for many many years passed.

I am quite willing to meet with Sales Persons who do/have made a living from Audio Equipment sales where a Social Activity is occurring in relation to Audio experiences. In general the individuals I meet frequently / infrequently are liked by myself and a pleasure to spend time with.  

Where Sales Persons fall very short, is where they can't sell to everybody met. Even when professing their bias and declaring designs promoted as being the best of the best. Such declarations are not enough, end sound for a large group of individuals really does mean something to them, especially when narrowed down to where it becomes important to be entertained as result of experiencing sound resulting from recorded music being replayed. 

Audio Devices no matter how well designed, how accurate the Math, when encountered and is perceived as producing an end sound that is very unattractive, for many the only want left for the experience, is to end the experience hastily. 

Sales Persons do not have the monopoly on how one perceives sound produced from Audio Devices.

I have been in agreement with Sales Persons when met, either at a place of work or socially. Where I agreed the device selected for a Demo' looked very attractive as a design, and the Control Knobs were a Bespoke design not typically seen. I'm not sure how these attributes to the product, would entertain myself for a prolonged period where the Sound Produced is the entertainment being sought.   

@pindac Could you explain the 'Very touchy' remark? I was simply pointing out fact. Did you take it differently? This is nothing to do with sales FWIW.

I have a experience of experiencing quite a lot of equipment in use across quite a few different systems, but must admit today, commercial orientated systems where a system is built to create sales are not listened to much, very infrequently will be a fair explanation since Covid Times and infrequently will be a fair explanation for a good period of time prior to Covid.

I can't Speak for all, but have even received reports from individuals I trust in heavily in relation to Audio Equipment, who on return from Event such as the High End Munich, have felt the Demo's encountered overall were uninspiring.

There is not a generic formula for Math, that is able to be used that will win over all with the End Sound Produced. Is this not another fact worth pointing out.

Foot Work, Experiencing and assessing impression made of an End Sound Produced, is my methodology. It has served me very very well, not much that has been bought has been replaced or resold. Those who have tried to convince me of the Math, are usually informed to leave that for the Mathematicians or Wannabe Mathematicians. During my time and limited encounters, my real trust count in  individuals with a Mathematical prowess, that has slowly developed into trust over many years of encounters, is limited to reliance on a number of trusted individuals that amounts to less than the digits on one hand.

@pindac WTF are you talking about? It seems you just babble about everything that you have heard, at places other than your own. 98% of the time I don't bother reading your posts anymore. Is it just me? I think not. 

Pindac, Not all high end component designers are EEs, although ideally one would like to think so. Many/most are just intelligent guys with no degree related to EE who use math, and yes also their own personal biases, to design equipment.  Which is why there is no agreement on what is "best".  There is no general consensus even on something as fundamental as whether a phono stage should be balanced or single-ended, tube or solid state, transformer coupled or direct coupled, and on and on. BUT one can only hope that a given commercial design makes sense mathematically, else for example the RIAA correction is apt to be very inaccurate.  So, go ahead and follow your ears and your heart in choosing your own gear, but verify that the theory is sound.  What I am saying is that there are many many ways to get the design right, but they all depend upon the same mathematical formulae for calculating parts value, in order to get a good result.